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Old May 6, 2013, 02:00 PM   #1
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Smith and wesson 40v

Can anyone tell me if it is a good gun or not? Thanks.
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Old May 6, 2013, 02:23 PM   #2
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Define "good". OK, snide remarks aside, I assume you're talking about a SW40V, which was one of S&W's first-generation Sigma Series pistols.

In the plus column, they're generally reliable and robust, the grip shape is nice, S&W will reportedly still work on them, they're reasonably accurate for a service pistol, they field strip almost exactly like a Glock (YMMV), and they're usually quite inexpensive.

Minuses? The #1 criticism is the long and stiff trigger pull. Other common criticisms: there is no accessory rail, they field strip almost exactly like a Glock (YMMV), aftermarket support is limited, and some 1st-gen pistols had extraction and ejection problems (which prompted the 2nd-gen redesign). Also, Sigmas in general seem to suffer from a higher-than-average lemon rate; if you run a search for "Sigma", you'll probably notice that most owners report that their Sigmas run perfectly, but more than a few pistols have slipped out with glaring fit-and-finish flaws and/or chronic reliability problems.

One thing is for certain: IMHO you should NOT pay more than $250 for this gun, no matter how nice it looks. You can pick up a brand-new 3rd-gen SD40 VE for $319 + TT&L, and yes, retailers in many location DO have them and ARE selling them for this price. The 3rd-gen pistols have the improved 2nd-gen extractors and ejectors, an improved trigger, and an accessory rail, they take M&P sights, and you'll get S&W's full-blown new-pistol service policy if it doesn't run right.
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Old May 6, 2013, 05:50 PM   #3
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Just to add to it, it you don't like the trigger, Apex makes a nice one for $20.

Three day shipping $23 and some change give it a an $80 uprade IMO.

I find them here for around $325 new so i have to agree anything over 240 or 250 and i would just go new.

https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid57.html
PS the video on the link has an easy step by step install.
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Old May 7, 2013, 03:41 AM   #4
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Friends don't let friends buy Sigma seris pistols, they are in the same class as a Highpoint IMO!
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Old May 7, 2013, 03:50 AM   #5
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I bought a Sigma 40ve back in 2004. As was said before the trigger sucked on it. Other than that it was a very reliable gun. I just handled a M&P and it has a much better trigger than the sigma. I still don't like the hinged trigger tho.
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Old May 7, 2013, 09:11 AM   #6
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Friends don't let friends buy Sigma seris pistols, they are in the same class as a Highpoint IMO!
I don't know where you received that information but it is totally inaccurate. I recommend you let that false source go by the wayside because it was biased and unscientific.

Two totally different pistols. You will find that some people just look for a reason to bash something that they don't like and often for biased reasons. Furthermore they just straight out lie and cross the line of political spin.

Sometimes the bashing gets to personal with the Pro-Glock and Anti-Glock more than anything else and it reflects childish behavior.

Please put some real thought into your post and if it has to be negative, let it be proven and specific.
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Old May 7, 2013, 10:09 AM   #7
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^^^ Agreed. I find Palmetto-Pride's post to be ironic because IMHO the Sigma and Hi-Point- along with the Ruger P95- are the standards against which all other sub-$350 9mm/.40S&W pistols should be judged. Yes, they're blocky, ugly, and basic, but they're also generally reliable and adequately accurate to do the job, and are backed by very reputable companies.

Also, Wreck-n-Crew, I believe that you posted the wrong Apex link; the one you posted is for the 3rd-gen SD trigger. The kit for the 1st- and 2nd-gen SW trigger is here:

https://apextactical.com/store/produ...php?pid66.html

Same price though.
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Old May 7, 2013, 10:27 AM   #8
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Also, Wreck-n-Crew, I believe that you posted the wrong Apex link; the one you posted is for the 3rd-gen SD trigger. The kit for the 1st- and 2nd-gen SW trigger is here:
Nice catch, that kit was for my VE..Thanks!
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Old May 7, 2013, 10:35 AM   #9
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I have a SW9VE, which is out of those Sigma series (I understand the newer SD9 and SD40 are yet improved).

The trigger pull is indeed horrendous. The Apex kit helps, but not a ton. However, if you can build your skill with the gun it IS fairly accurate and very reliable. The ergonomics are surprisingly good- it feels better than any Glock I've ever held. I bought mine secondhand; I've put a couple hundred rounds or so through it without a single failure. Before I went screwing with the sights* the bullets went where the thing was aimed.

IMO, the gun is what it is- an inexpensive but reliable firearm for self defense. No more and no less. Another $150-200 will buy a much better gun, but that isn't always possible. If one can afford something like a Sig SP2022, Glock, S&W M&P, or Springfield Armory XD then I'd recommend spending the extra for one of those. But if one absolutely cannot, the Sigma will be sufficient.

*One caveat- DO NOT buy the Meprolight night sights for it. I tried that for mine, couldn't ever get them to shoot to point of aim, and the slide needs to go back to S&W to have a new front sight installed (they weld it on). It's just a waste of money.
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Old May 7, 2013, 10:57 AM   #10
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One caveat- DO NOT buy the Meprolight night sights for it. I tried that for mine, couldn't ever get them to shoot to point of aim, and the slide needs to go back to S&W to have a new front sight installed (they weld it on).
This relates to something I fleetingly mentioned in my first post- one major potential advantage of the 3rd-gen SD series is that they take M&P sights, so the selection easily goes up tenfold, and the front sight uses a standard dovetail, making it far easier to remove and replace.
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Old May 7, 2013, 12:48 PM   #11
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Re: Smith and wesson 40v

I now carry a M&P but I also have a sigma and it is a VERY reliable weapon. It eats almost anything without an issue and is accurate. The only ammo it ever did a FTF was some very low powered reloads I was trying. That was my fault for going to low to reliably cycle the action, not the pistols. I was looking for a light plinking load.
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Old May 7, 2013, 12:50 PM   #12
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Re: Smith and wesson 40v

I forgot to add... For those new to concealed carry the long trigger pull is a safety feature since there is no external safety.
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Old May 7, 2013, 05:29 PM   #13
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Ok guys I agree the Sigma doesn't belong in the same class as the Hipoint, I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. I had a Sigma so I am speaking from experience. I bought it because I didn't want to spend the extra money on what I really wanted, but the trigger was just horrible I couldn't live with it so I did what most people did I sold it and took a lost only to end up with the gun I really wanted and should have bought in the first place. My point fellows don't settle on the Sigma if what you really want is a M&P because you will end up with it anyway
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Old May 7, 2013, 08:01 PM   #14
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I have a Sigma 40F that I bought when they first came out.

It is a very nicely built and quality pistol. An insult to compare it to Hi Point as it is much better quality.

However the trigger is very stiff - probably 10 pounds or so. Even with that I can shoot it pretty decent.

I rarely shoot it anymore since getting my SIGs but I am not going to sell it because it is a good pistol and I could not get enough for it to make it worth my while. Would be a good in the trunk pistol for me also if I wanted to do such.

However knowing what I know now I would have a hard time recommending a Sigma to anyone unless they have tried one first and like it.

With a pistol like a SIG SP2022 not costing much more I would recommend that over it. Last year before the panic you could get under $500 M&P pistol also. The latest M&P has a pretty nice trigger since the unannounced factory upgrade.
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