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Old August 28, 2000, 11:16 AM   #1
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A collector friend showed me an interesting handgun the other day: a Grendel poly-framed semi-auto in .22 magnum. It had a number of interesting features but was ugly as hell.

They aren't made or imported any more, but I'm curious about it. Is anyone familiar with it? Any opinions about it?
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Old August 28, 2000, 11:48 AM   #2
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Hello. I never owned or shot one, but heard that they were not reliable. I could be wrong, but that's all I can recall. Best.
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Old August 28, 2000, 11:51 AM   #3
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I've seen them but never fired one. They came with a 30rnd magazine. This was before the laws banning common sense.
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Old August 28, 2000, 12:08 PM   #4
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I had fortunately forgotten the Grendel until you mentioned it. As with most Grendel pistols it too was junk. Now I can forget about it again.
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Old August 28, 2000, 12:36 PM   #5
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The one I shot worked fine, just very, very loud. As a rule the Grendel pistols were pretty bad but, oh yes, the big (no pun intended) but, their rifles were great.



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Old August 28, 2000, 12:52 PM   #6
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Yeah, it was the 30 round magazine capacity that piqued my interest! The .22 magnum has some interesting properties. I wonder if Ruger could chamber the SP101 rimfire in the magnum chambering? If I recall correctly, the new .22 caliber developed by FN for military handgun use has ballistics very similar to the .22 rimfire magnum.

I bet the Grendel IS loud!
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Old August 28, 2000, 10:47 PM   #7
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Don't laugh guys but I had 2 of those. They were very ammo sensitive but ones I had were very reliable with CCI HP ammo while Winchester HP were useless. It had terrible muzzle blast but almost no recoil. I once shot it in a indoor range with all lights off and with one particular ammo (I don't remember the brand) it looked like a flame thrower. I used to keep both pistols and several loaded spare mags in my sailboat during longer trips.
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Old August 29, 2000, 12:03 AM   #8
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i own 2 of the p-30's one an early 3digit threaded barrel sn#. after dismantling these guns and staring at them for awhile, i found that with cleaning up the feed ramp. and bevelling it out alittle more, that they work fine. but mine prefer the winchester over the cci ammo. another problem was the plastic mag base plate lips are real flimsy. i only load mine to 20rds of 22mag. i am able to hit targets out to 150yds no problem. no if only someone would make 10rd mags for them. if you want to off one e-m me.
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Old February 18, 2009, 05:33 AM   #9
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p-30

do you have an extra mag for a grendal p-30 you would sell
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Old February 18, 2009, 08:23 AM   #10
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remember it?

yeah I might have to remember to take mine to the range with me next time.



its ammo sensitive but its a blast to hand it to a friend and say something like "here shoot a clip through this" then watch them keep shooting and shooting and shooting and then look at you and ask "how many does this thing hold?"
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Old February 18, 2009, 09:34 AM   #11
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grendel

i have an unfired one in my safe. good bad or ugly
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Old February 18, 2009, 01:12 PM   #12
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Is it true that the people behind the Grendels went on to found Kel-Tec?
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Old February 18, 2009, 01:16 PM   #13
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They use to sell for $199.00 (~1992)at an indoor range I go to. I almost bought one, but never did.
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Old February 18, 2009, 01:42 PM   #14
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Is it true that the people behind the Grendels went on to found Kel-Tec?
Funny that you say that. I was looking at a pic in another thread and thinking to myself how kel-tec'sih it looked. The grips more so than anything.
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Old February 18, 2009, 01:44 PM   #15
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec

Jim,

Here you go..
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Old July 18, 2009, 08:28 AM   #16
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Grendel and the .22 WMR -- mind-blowing impressive!

The Grendel P30 is a semi-automatic pistol chambered for the .22 WMR. Designed by George Kellgren, it uses a 30-round Zytel magazine and was available with a 5 or 8 inch barrel.

Weight 21 ounces (5" barrel model)
Length 8.5" (5" barrel model)
Barrel length 5" or 8"

A carbine version (R-31) was also offered. Both the P30 and R-31 were manufactured from 1990 to 1994.

While I have never owned or shot a P30 or an R-31, I literally found a .22 WMR 2-shot derringer on the streets of Miami long ago. It was in a belt-clip holster and the owner probably put it on the roof of his car while fishing for his car keys, forgot about it, and drove off whereupon it fell off into the street. It was very new looking, spotlessly clean, and loaded with the maximum 2 rounds (hollow points).

I made the mistake of test firing this little "toy" in my kitchen without hearing protection. This little "toy" is EXTREMELY LOUD, so please do NOT do this! Having examined the rounds, I was impressed enough to stack four telephone books and a NATOPS manual against the wall as a target. The little hollow points actually went through all four telephone books and into the NATOPS manual before they assumed the diameter of a dime and stopped.

That's mind-blowing impressive, especially at only about $6 per box of 50 rounds at gun shows.

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Old July 18, 2009, 09:02 AM   #17
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Good grief that thing is ugly.
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Old July 18, 2009, 09:23 AM   #18
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R-31 Grendel Carbine .22 WMR

Yup, the carbine version is awfully fugly, too...





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Old July 18, 2009, 12:32 PM   #19
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It's no uglier than an XD or Glock.
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Old July 18, 2009, 03:47 PM   #20
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If kelTec would update and make that carbine and pistol again, I would buy both.
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Old July 18, 2009, 05:16 PM   #21
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[QUOTE][/QUAEM
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Posts: 189 A collector friend showed me an interesting handgun the other day: a Grendel poly-framed semi-auto in .22 magnum. It had a number of interesting features but was ugly as hell.
They aren't made or imported any more, but I'm curious about it. Is anyone familiar with it? Any opinions about it? QUOTE]





I think only a handful of guns since, say 1990, have been "ugly". But you certainly are right in attaching that moniker to the Grendel. It really was UGLY! Reminded me of a (ugly) plastic toy gun that somebody mutated with anabolic Hoppe's or something! Yuck!

Never shot one. Didn't want to handle it. It was the toad of guns in that I was afraid I may get warts after handleing it.

Sorry if I hurt any owners of this guns feelings. I know it's never good to say anybody's baby or gun is not beautiful.
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Old July 18, 2009, 05:31 PM   #22
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I'm gonna have to jump on board the ugly wagon. There is a reason why there are some guns you have never heard of. Good example. But if it fires... hey who am I to say a word.
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Old July 18, 2009, 06:13 PM   #23
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Looks like the bastard love child of a Hi-point and a Kel-tec, with maybe a little bit of inbred Glock and HK in there. All in all, FUGLY.
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Old July 18, 2009, 06:50 PM   #24
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The carbine version is very interesting.

If it were at all available, it seems like it could be a decent alternative to the PS90.
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Old July 18, 2009, 07:12 PM   #25
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Aesthetics notwithstanding, a pistol about the size of a 1911-but lighter, that holds 31 rounds of .22 magnum is a damned neat gun. The P30 was way ahead of it's time. It's future was sealed with Clinton's "Assault Weapon Ban."
The guns handle suprisingly well.
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