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Old April 17, 2013, 09:16 PM   #1
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1858 New Model Army Charcoal Blue

I would like to say Hi to everyone here. I am a long time firearms enthusiast and NRA lifer. I came to this site in search of blackpowder knowledge. I currently have a .45 cal hawkins style TC black powder rifle. I am now looking to purchase a blackpowder pistol or two. I am drawn by the 1858 New Model Army. From What I have seen online in my quest for knowledge, I am starting to focus on the Cimarron 1858 New Model Army in Charcoal Blue with the longer Barrel. I know its not as period accurate as it could be finish wise, but it turns my crank.
I would be very grateful if anyone had a lead on one for sale. I would also be very interested in hearing any discussion on blackpowder pistols. Any tips, reccommendations, or other knowledge is much appreciated.

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Old April 17, 2013, 09:29 PM   #2
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This is the place. I like Cabela's for pricing, shipment,service. Keep an eye on the for sale items on this forum. I myself think you are making a good choice on the Remington. I think you are going to end up with more than a couple, these pistols are very addictive.
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Old April 18, 2013, 05:33 AM   #3
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Cabela's has the best prices but they don't sell one in charcoal blue. They sell a CCH with checkered grips tho.

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Old April 18, 2013, 05:55 AM   #4
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Welcome, Walt....

I can't add anything to the recommendations already made.

Watch for the sales at Cabelas.

In the past they have been just under 200.00 as a low. Then they turn around and offer free shipping on orders over 150.00. These prices were on their steel frame 1860 Colt and 1858 Remington. I have not seen them that low recently but then I have not been following them. Also, I don't know if you could go to the store and get those prices or if it was just the online Cabelas.

Unfortunately you can't call and ask when stuff might go on sale, because the skirt who answers the phone doesn't know (or won't say).

Right now you can get it for 229.00. (Don't buy the one with the starter kit.)
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Old April 18, 2013, 12:14 PM   #5
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Also check out You Tube. Good info on loading, shooting, takedown, cleaning, and gen know how on these pistols.
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Old April 20, 2013, 05:33 PM   #6
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Well due to not being able to locate a cimarron with the charcoal blue in the new model army, I decided to go with a uberti stainless target model. I am pleased with it overall, but it is shooting a bit high. The target sight in the rear is adjusted as far down as it goes. Grouping was respectable with tripple 7 fffg and .454 round balls. I was using 30 grains of powder. I'm going to still keep my eye out for a charcoal blue one as well.
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Old April 23, 2013, 04:50 PM   #7
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Watch out, the lil buggers will multiply. I brought an 1858 Remington home with me 8 years ago and for some reason I now have 3-1858 Remington's-2-44's & 1-36, 2-1851 Colt Navies, 1- Colt Walker, 1-1860 Colt Army, 1-Colt 1848, 1-Colt 1862 Pocket Police and 1-NAA .22mag black powder. And 3 conversion cylinders. The things just keep on multiplying. Thinking about thinning the herd a bit and buying a couple more conversion cylinders for the ones that don't have one. Makes it nice to be able to them at an indoor range with the conversion cylinders and smokeless powder loads.
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Old April 24, 2013, 04:50 PM   #8
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For future reference, what the import makers market as "charcoal blue" isn't really. It's actually nitre or fire blue and quite a fragile finish. Real charcoal blue as applied by specialists like Turnbull Restorations is a very rugged but also very expensive blued finish. It has a slight blue hue but is much blacker in appearance than the peacock color of nitre bluing. This is what many 19th century handguns had originally and much more authentic than your typical modern hot salt blue which is very black.
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Old April 24, 2013, 06:00 PM   #9
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Nitre/Fire Blue

Had that finish on a Cimarron Uberti Custer SAA more than 10 years ago. It is beautiful but very fragile. I don't think I'd get it on a C&B that I would shoot a lot due to the finish wear from handling during loading and cleaning.
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Old April 24, 2013, 06:02 PM   #10
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newfrontier45, was it nitre bluing or charcoal blue that they used back in the late 1800s? I once handled a really nice original 1863 Remington revolver that looked a lot more blue than black and wondered what finish they used back then.
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Old April 24, 2013, 08:04 PM   #11
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Have you tried Texas Jacks for your charcoal blue Remmy?

FYI: Cabela's sells Pietta guns, charcoal blue are Ubertis. Pietta uses larger frame, Uberti more scale and has tighter twist for conicals.
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Old April 24, 2013, 11:37 PM   #12
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while that's true for the 58 and most of Cabela's guns they do sell a few Uberti models that Pietta doesn't make like the 49 pocket and Walker, Dragoon etc.
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Old April 25, 2013, 12:09 AM   #13
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Thanks for clarifying Hawg, that's what was meant.
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Old April 30, 2013, 03:22 PM   #14
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I did look at Texas Jacks. They are out.
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Old May 10, 2013, 11:49 AM   #15
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newfrontier45, was it nitre bluing or charcoal blue that they used back in the late 1800s?
It was charcoal or carbona blue. Nitre or fire blue was used but only on small parts like screws and basepins. Two completely different finishes.
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