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Old April 4, 2013, 09:55 AM   #26
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The Ransom Rest disagrees with you. People have the idea that a gun will hit the spot it's aimed at if the shooter does his job. With some guns that's true. With many it's not.

As for glk/1911, it varies a lot depending on the individual piece. But if you took a large sample and fired them from a Ransom Rest, I believe you would find the 1911s to be more accurate. The Glock is not a target pistol. It is more than accurate enough for it's intended purpose.
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Old April 4, 2013, 10:24 AM   #27
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It is certainly true that Glocks are accurate enough for most people. But aren't 1911s the pistol of choice for serious bulls-eye competitions? I think a more highly skilled shooter could get more out of a good 1911 than from a Glock.

Heck, I like my Glock, but my Beretta 92 is more accurate in my hands. I don't own a 1911, but the ones I have shot (owned by friends) have been very easy to shoot well.
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Old April 4, 2013, 10:35 AM   #28
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The misunderstanding with "accuracy" is usually people confusing ease of accuracy with mechanical accuracy. They'll produce better groups with say, a Para GI Expert 1911 than a Glock 19, and say "it's more accurate". Most of the time, "it" isn't more accurate. "It" just has a very short and light trigger pull, which takes a bit of trigger control failure out of the equation, as well as a longer sight radius, which helps negate aim discipline issues.

Consequently, that Glock looks "more accurate" to a new shooter if you take out the pretravel and use a 3.5 pound connector. Make those adjustments on a Glock 34, and it will make an average shooter look like a lot better.

Personally, I'm lazy with sight discipline. My PoA shifts between rounds fired. I'm typically pie-plate accurate, in 20 round groups at 50 feet, with about half of my rounds landing inside an iPhone. That's with a Glock or Ruger SR. Give me a fiber optic front post, and 3.5 pound trigger, and I will look like a stud. Those don't accurize the pistol, but they sure make up for my deficiencies. The FO sights help with my horrible attention span, and the trigger makes it like cheating. I have even put 3 consecutive rounds dead-center on the bull at 40 feet with an XDs with a Springer Precision trigger job.

Glock vs 1911 is comparable to recurve bow vs compound bow with a red dot. Either one sends the arrow in a straight line, but one takes "the indian" out of the equation a bit.
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Old April 4, 2013, 03:48 PM   #29
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Most people will shoot more accurately with the 1911.
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Old April 4, 2013, 04:00 PM   #30
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I shoot them both the same.

I just prefer my Glock from a SD and capacity standpoint.

The 1911 is an awesome range gun.
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Old April 4, 2013, 05:40 PM   #31
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Those wee sights on the G.I. models are more conducive to aiming small when compared to the flight deck concept of aiming with the G21. I like my 9mm 1911 too, and once again better sights and absence of perceived recoil makes an easier shooting piece. I still like those Glockenspielers though. Particularly the heavy auto calibers. I can see how someone who upgraded the sights and learned the trigger could shoot some fine targets as well.
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Old April 5, 2013, 06:31 AM   #32
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Which kind is more accurate also depends on what you mean. Practical accuracy is where the Glock can compete. Don't know if anyone cares about benchrest from 50 yards.
In my experience I have owned and practiced with both. Results were about the same, because I shot them differently.
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Old April 5, 2013, 07:08 AM   #33
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I set my 1911's up with a bushing that cams into the slide with hard finger pressure, 0.002"-0.003" clearance at the muzzle of a decent barrel whose lower lugs rest evenly on a 0.200" slide stop crosspin. So arranged, they will run dirty and put 5 shots under 4" at 50 yards from a rest. Practically all the .40 caliber G22's and G23's I've tested are just as good.
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Old April 6, 2013, 02:09 AM   #34
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1911s are more accurate than the G21
BUT
The G30 is more accurate than both the G21 and 1911.

Yes. Really.
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Old April 6, 2013, 08:51 AM   #35
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1911s are more accurate than the G21
BUT
The G30 is more accurate than both the G21 and 1911.

Yes. Really.
Uh... Saying that the G30 is more accurate than the 1911 would NOT be accurate. I'm sure that it is more accurate than some 1911's but I doubt it would hold up against high end 1911s such as any of the custom or semi-custom 1911s mentioned.
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Old April 6, 2013, 09:41 AM   #36
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Accuracy - glock vs 1911

-___- I don't wanna hear it. I'm not even going to post the Glocks pick. It's still my CCW for various other reasons. I'm at the range now on my phone.

Damn light trigger pull on the 1911 probably messed me up on the Glock.



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Old April 6, 2013, 10:38 AM   #37
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I think on a machine stand both guns will shoot such a small group, at a reasonable distance, that the difference in accuracy between the guns is negligible. Whatever the shooter can fire more consistently and controlled will be the more accurate gun in their hands.
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Old April 6, 2013, 11:38 AM   #38
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Accuracy - glock vs 1911

Trigger matters like night and day. Shot that 1911 with its smooth SA trigger first, and it tainted me getting used to the Glock.

I shot the Glock horribly today when usually I shoot it great.
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Old April 6, 2013, 12:17 PM   #39
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^ I have had the same problem before. I actually found if I start a range session with something DA, like a DA/SA pistol or a revolver, that it helps me for the rest of the session. It forces me to really concentrate on my trigger pulls.
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Old April 6, 2013, 01:18 PM   #40
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The G30 is more accurate than both the G21 and 1911.
My Rock Island 1911 is more accurate than the Glock 30 I had ever dreamed of being.
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Old April 7, 2013, 07:57 AM   #41
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Unless you're a serious bullseye shooter with years of experience, you won't notice a difference. 99.9% of "accuracy" falls squarely on the shoulders of the shooter.
I couldn't agree more.

I think the constant Glock vs 1911 nonsense is nonsense.

For close range shooting I am better with a Glock. At longer ranges, I am better with my 1911. I think it all has to do with the man behind trigger.
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Old April 7, 2013, 08:02 AM   #42
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I'm sure that standard examples* of both Glocks and 1911s are at least as accurate as I am.

(*=meaning that they haven't been 'Bubba'd' too badly.)

One real problem with this question is that it's pretty vague. What kind of Glock? 21? 27? What kind of 1911? That's an even broader range of possibilities. Colt Gold Cup with a target barrel & adjustable sights? Springfield Armory GI model? Are we talking about shooting from a Ransom rest?
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Old April 7, 2013, 08:15 AM   #43
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Accuracy - glock vs 1911

Agree with Spats..too many different variables they fall under. I don't know how many companies make copies of 1911's and scrap the original measurements.

Really doesn't sit well with me how there is literally nothing that's a "drop-in" part aside from grips. That's how many people have mimicked and mass produced the 1911.

For me they are range guns. With low capacity. A safety to disengaged under stress if carried and a little on the heavy side. Which doesn't bother me for the range. It's one of, if not the funniest gun for me to shoot. My Gold Cup performed like a champion yesterday. From 7 to 25 yards.

So would have my Glock 34 for example. But they're close to...I don't know 30 different kinds of Glocks.

All depends on what you train with or punch paper with extensively.

There was a saying I once heard. Or maybe even read, "fear the man with one gun". Prime example yesterday. I've shot my Glock 19 and 17 alone for months. All of a sudden I bring my Gold Cup out from the safe to "play" and I end up shooting it with the tightest groups. All 200 rounds. Then I go to my Glock 19 which I CCW. (Always shoot your CCW as much as your bank can afford) I shoot with the 19 and the grouping isn't what it usually is. It was the size of a fist.

The difference in triggers was tremendous and just 200 rounds my muscle memory slightly favored the Gold Cups hair trigger.


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Old April 7, 2013, 09:22 AM   #44
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Since most of us agree that both are more accurate than their owners I'll focus on which is more enjoyable to shoot... for me the 1911 rules the range with its trigger and all-metal design.

The Glocks win all of my other categories of use, easily.
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Old April 7, 2013, 09:52 AM   #45
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I'll play. I have had both, shoot both and there is not enough difference for me (average) to worry about.
What I see is the big difference is cost. An earlier post mentioned it, a GOOD 1911 will shoot smaller groups than the average Glock, but factor in the cost.
Glock's cost $500 +- and GOOD 1911 is easily two to three times that and often need some minor tuning then.
Not trying to flame, but that is based on my experience only.
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Old April 7, 2013, 10:06 AM   #46
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I have a S&W 1911 and an older G-17. The 1911 wins every time no matter who is shooting it, me, my wife or my kids. I've seen people shoot Glocks very well but the difference is pronounced with my samples. From what I've seen here, that seems to be the trend for others as well.
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Old April 7, 2013, 10:17 AM   #47
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Within my skill set, I find the 1911 to be very slightly more accurate. However, I shoot both well enough not to think it would matter in an SD situation. Learn the trigger on each - that's more important.

There is more variance in my part that swamps the guns' variance.
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Old April 7, 2013, 10:32 AM   #48
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The trigger release is the equalizer! Mechanical accuracy is basically very similar, per Ransom rest.

Going back a few posts, the Gen4 Glock 19 I carry, in Security, FCCWL, and shoot in IDPA matches. Is awesome for practical accuracy, it sports fiber optics, 3.5 lb. trigger connector, the trigger release is like a target pistol, but not too light (6lbs, approx.?) and it goes bang always.

A .45 Colt, accurized by Dinan? Made in 1913, stolen from the original owner, who sold it to me, with some rust, the Insurance company could not keep it when it was recovered, by the Toronto Police. Cost me $60, even with a little rust in the end of the barrel, put 5 rounds of my reloads into one ragged hole at 20yds! It was made for matches, the sights were big ugly target ones, but could that old gun shoot.
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Old April 7, 2013, 11:10 AM   #49
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This post is basically : mine is more accurate, no mine is, no mine.
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Old April 7, 2013, 01:30 PM   #50
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