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Old September 19, 2013, 09:54 AM   #1
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NBC Illustration Shows DC Shooter Using an M4 Carbine

It has been widely reported that the Washington Navy Yard shooter initially used an 870 Remington shotgun before using a handgun from a fallen guard. Initial reports indicated an "assault rifle" was used, but those reports were proven false.

This morning, the Today Show ran a segment about the shooting. After displaying a graphic on the screen illustrating the layout of the Navy Yard and the shooter's actions, they proceeded to discuss gun control and how the shooter used a "loophole" to buy this weapon.

The problem was, the graphic used by NBC didn't show the shooter using an 870 Remington. It didn't even show the shooter with a shotgun. Instead, they illustrated the shooter with what I believe to be an M4 Carbine with Grenade Launcher!

It would be easy for a casual viewer who isn't familiar with the difference between a rifle and shotgun to view this and think the shooter used an automatic rifle or an "assault rifle" in this shooting.

I was so annoyed I took a picture of NBC's illustration (attached). It is hard to have an "honest conversation" about guns and gun violence when those tasked with disseminating information lie and distort basic facts...
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Old September 19, 2013, 10:35 AM   #2
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Pathetic & disgusting! The news media is so irressponsible when it comes to "marketing" their agenda. Trying to portray the lunatic shooter as a former service member who then uses(??) a military weapon to kill co-workers obviously makes for good copy and pushes their misguided agenda(s).

They must be scared to death to show the weapon actually used as it is as common a shotgun as might be found in North America. Might even let typical "folks" realize that it's not the weapon that kills, whether a firearm, knife, hammer or hands and feet, it's the lunatic using any of the above. For those who might not have already known, statistics have shown that in 2011 more Americans were killed with hands & feet than were killed with rifles of any and all types.
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Old September 19, 2013, 11:57 AM   #3
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When I first heard the news about 2.5 hrs after it started, I was impressed that they already identified him with an AR15 rifle, bit did not know whether it was 1, 2 or 3 shooters, no description of the shooter(s), no location of the shooter(s), no indication of where shooter(s) started shooting, no idea how he/they gained access to base, etc. But they sure "knew" he had an AR15 shotgun shooting 3-round bursts.
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Old September 19, 2013, 12:12 PM   #4
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I lost what little respect for the integrity of NBC news that I had, decades ago when they got "caught" rigging pickup truck gas tanks to explode (to show how dangerous a certain model was,...)

The rest of the major media has apparently sunk to nearly the same level, and some even lower in the decades since.

I was remarking to someone just last night, how, even though I have not been following the details closely, how the press was not railing 24/7 about the shooter having an assault weapon (AR/AK, etc.).

Watch your news, this case doesn't fit the media's agenda very well, watch and see how fast it disappears from the headlines.
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Old September 19, 2013, 12:30 PM   #5
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Bah...NBC News....

They even got the story of Tony Blair's daughter being robbed at gun point wrong. They said it happened in London which is obviously impossible because England is a gun free zone. It must have been when she was visiting Detroit or Chicago (wait, not Chicago, that's Obama's town) or Washington D.C. (wait not Washinton D.C., that's where he lives now) or TEXAS, yeah that's right probably TEXAS or maybe Florida...

Good grief - can you say 'agenda'.

Tony Blair's daughter story:
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Old September 19, 2013, 12:42 PM   #6
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It's often difficult to discern intent versus ignorance with the media. CNN ran a line that said that the shooter used an AR Shotgun.

I doubt it's intent, even though it clearly fits their narrative. It's a combination of "I need a picture of a gun" and that's what they found and complete ignorance.

They wouldn't have a babbling foreign policy "expert" on there who didn't know where Syria was or the difference between democracy and dictatorships but they can't seem to find one single person who knows what a .223Rem is or that a shotgun isn't an AR.

I don't think it's direct intent, except to the extent that they intentionally don't care to be accurate.
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Old September 19, 2013, 12:57 PM   #7
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It's often difficult to discern intent versus ignorance with the media.
I agree this is sometimes the case, but I fear more and more they are agenda driven.

For instance after the shooting in Connecticut CNN Anchor Don Lemon made a statement that no one hunts with an AR15 because it would destroy the animal rendering the meat unusable. A few days later he hosted a discussion with a gun rights supporter and during the interview admitted that he had purchased and shot an AR15. Now, admittedly this by no means makes him a firearms expert, but it seems that he probably knew his initially statement was untrue.
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Old September 19, 2013, 01:23 PM   #8
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What?!? That fine journalistic empire is falsely reporting the news? I'm shocked. Kind of like their creative audio editing they seem to favor.
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Old September 19, 2013, 01:47 PM   #9
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I will agree with the above comment about the difficulty in determining whether its intent or ignorance when it comes to things like this. The media are going to report on these events but I seriously doubt very many of them, especially at higher levels, know beans about firearms. I just write it off as ignorance unless someone tries to make a serious point based on the ignorance.
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Old September 19, 2013, 02:23 PM   #10
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Media, courts, jury members...

I wouldn't count on many US media outlets to be accurate or honest with guns/use of force/etc.
The media, like others in the criminal justice system, education, public service etc are not experts or up on all things gun-related, .

If you watched the testimony of the recent George Zimmerman trial in Sanford FL & listened closely, there were many errors & over-sights on both sides.

I wouldn't get worked up over it. Unless it's a legal point or deliberate bias/lies, Id shrug it off.
It's like the Youtubers who go bonkers over calling magazines, "clips". Or complaining about what a "high cap" magazine is.
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Old September 19, 2013, 03:00 PM   #11
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"As details emerge" and decisions are being made about which of those details are going to be reported . . .
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Old September 19, 2013, 03:03 PM   #12
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I heard CNN describe the movements of our battleships over the Syria incident.

You can look for conspiracies but stupidity is such a good choice.
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Old September 19, 2013, 03:33 PM   #13
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Yes, I suppose we can’t take journalist too seriously. I’m not sure how many saw CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on Jeopardy, but it was a hoot. He basically ended up $4800 dollars in the hole versus comedian Andy Richter. Also, if you’re not a fan of Jeopardy they kind of dumb it down a bit for the celebrity completion, so it was really worse than it appeared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVC28oemocA
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Old September 19, 2013, 04:37 PM   #14
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Not only did they show the gun as an M4, but that the shooter was ORANGE!

The racial profiling horror!
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Old September 19, 2013, 04:46 PM   #15
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DNS - I am tempted to delete this but it's funny.

I did see one animation that did have a shotgun. Forgot on what network.
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Old September 19, 2013, 05:09 PM   #16
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It's clearly an MKA 1919 shotgun in the graphic. :P

In all seriousness though, I'm not sure that I'd be too quick to attribute this to an agenda. Investigative journalism is dead, and the accuracy of the news has suffered ever since. It wouldn't surprise me much if the CAD system they used just happened to already have that gun rendered in it, so they just used it to save time.

He's also holding it very strangely.
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Old September 19, 2013, 05:18 PM   #17
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O'Reilly

I'm not a fan, but Bill O'Reilly pointed out the MSM sensationalism about the Navy Yard shooting. While I have doubts about his motivation in doing so, it was still depressing to see a compilation of erroneous reporting.
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Old September 19, 2013, 05:43 PM   #18
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I had to explain to a local CBS reporter this afternoon that an AR-15 was not used by Alexis.

On some level, they don't care whether it was a Ford Explorer or a Ford Expedition. The assumption is that all they need to know is that guy who caused the wreck was driving a Ford SUV.
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Old September 19, 2013, 06:23 PM   #19
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It's often difficult to discern intent versus ignorance with the media. CNN ran a line that said that the shooter used an AR Shotgun.

I doubt it's intent, even though it clearly fits their narrative. It's a combination of "I need a picture of a gun" and that's what they found and complete ignorance.

They wouldn't have a babbling foreign policy "expert" on there who didn't know where Syria was or the difference between democracy and dictatorships but they can't seem to find one single person who knows what a .223Rem is or that a shotgun isn't an AR.

I don't think it's direct intent, except to the extent that they intentionally don't care to be accurate.
I'd be more inclined to bet on this, someone in the graphics dept, who doesn't know the first thing about guns, was told to come up with something in a big hurry so it could be put on air. This is what they were able to come up with.

Not really worth getting your feelings all hurt over, I don't think.
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Old September 19, 2013, 06:40 PM   #20
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Honest, one commentator claimed the shooter was armed with an "AR-15 Shotgun".

A good deal of writing has been done in the past couple of days on the Main Stream Media's fixation on the "evil AR-15 Weapon of War".
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Old September 19, 2013, 06:51 PM   #21
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I have to agree with Brian. Do not ascribe to malice what can better be explained by ignorance. We all make the mistake that an organization works with one mind, but they don't, The illustrator could probably only find the one gun image to use and probably didn't think it mattered. Others may have felt the same way while still others saw the difference and either didn't care or it fit the narrative they liked.
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NBC Illustration Shows DC Shooter Using an M4 Carbine

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I heard CNN describe the movements of our battleships over the Syria incident.

You can look for conspiracies but stupidity is such a good choice.
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Or did they say the Arizona?!

It is all of so-called journalism: the bias is not only in what the choose to report or ignore, but also what they choose to seek expert advice on or not. For most of them, they consider someone from gun control side the experts and choose to ignore experts who make or employ guns.
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Old September 20, 2013, 06:56 AM   #23
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Some news reports are saying that he cut down his "wooden stock" on his 870 Express and other reports are showing a picture of a shotgun with black plastic furniture.
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Old September 20, 2013, 10:39 AM   #24
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NPR today clearly said that there is no push for gun control after the incident. The focus is more on the mental health issues AND that misidentification of the firearm took the winds out the sails of the AWB rants. Plus, that that gun was legally bought.

They also discuss the rush to nonsense that occurs after an incident. Watch the original coverage of 9/11 and the reporters and 'experts' sound like idiots.
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Old September 20, 2013, 11:39 AM   #25
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Okay, I guess I'll go along that it's mostly ignorance and not an 'evil agenda' that drives our main stream media in gun issues. (said Dale putting away his tinfoil hat).

But it's an ignorance they refuse to remedy. And I think it's because it's one of their core beliefs that guns are bad. Stephen Hunter talked about the 'narrative' in the MSM in one of his books and he's not only a gun guy but worked for a MSM newspaper out east. (The book might have been 'I, Sniper').

http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-Bob-Lee...der_1416565175

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-took the winds out the sails of the AWB rants. Plus, that that gun was legally bought.
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I'm VERY glad the anti folk are not making hay out of this event but to me (if I were them-shudder) the fact that the gun was 'legally' bought would be a debate point FOR the anti-gun crowd. That is, it would be a rally point to make more laws so the gun could NOT be LEGALLY purchased. If the guy got the gun illegally then there would be nothing more that could be done. Once again I think the anti-gun folk suffer from fuzzy thinking.
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