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Old March 27, 2013, 07:57 PM   #1
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Carrying a no-safety SA five-up may be a bad idea...

...in a motor vehicle crash:

http://imgur.com/wz8kYNr

(Note: image is VERY high res, better to view it on Imgur...)

This cylinder is from a Ruger Old Model that was carried in the door pocket of a truck that was involved in a crash severe enough to rotate the chambers across the firing pin. All five carried rounds went off. One of the empties was easily extractable, these four were not and the gun was destroyed per the guy who posted the pic on Reddit (username "thekevincollins"):

http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comment...he_pin_across/

A New Model Ruger action with a transfer bar wouldn't have done this, obviously. Neither would a Beretta Stampede, Freedom Arms '97 series, Taurus Gaucho (a horrible gun by the way) or the transfer-bar equipped Pietta SAs. All other Uberti, Pietta and the like close clones of the Colt SAA *would* behave as the gun picured did .
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Old March 27, 2013, 08:26 PM   #2
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I guess it would have gone off if it were hit by a meteorite, too.

I don't believe I would let that freak accident cause me to jettison a fine old Colt or other good example of the breed.
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Old March 27, 2013, 09:20 PM   #3
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If the crash was THAT bad, then I think the gun being destroyed was the least of their problems.

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Old March 27, 2013, 09:23 PM   #4
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As each chamber rolled in front of the firing pin it sent most of a bullet down the barrel. Ooops.
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Old March 27, 2013, 10:24 PM   #5
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I guess it would have gone off if it were hit by a meteorite, too.

I don't believe I would let that freak accident cause me to jettison a fine old Colt or other good example of the breed.
Agreed and it's about that far-fetched.
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Old March 27, 2013, 10:26 PM   #6
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The hammer had to have been forced in/held down somehow by the accident. Just the normal hammer in the down position would not have enough force to score the cases like that and then set off the primers. (Yes, I tried it; only light scratches on the cases and no primers fired.)

Also, there had to be enough force to break the cylinder stop.

I think there is a bit more to the story, though. Strange things happen in accidents, with a lot of energy flying around, but how a revolver in a door pocket would sustain that kind of damage escapes me.

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Old March 27, 2013, 10:27 PM   #7
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Where did the bullets strike?
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Old March 27, 2013, 11:14 PM   #8
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We have no idea where the bullets went.
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Old March 27, 2013, 11:29 PM   #9
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thats nuts! I hope everyones ok.

Poor poor OM blackhawk... you will be missed.
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Old March 27, 2013, 11:48 PM   #10
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"We have no idea where the bullets went."

I'll bet no one measured group size either. Sheesh!

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Old March 28, 2013, 12:00 AM   #11
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The caption on the photo says the gun was trapped between the truck and the ground (one could assume at decent rate of speed), so the forces exerted on it would have been pretty substancial. An argument could be made that any gun could be made to fire if enough force is applied to it, it wouldn't have to be a SA revolver either.

A curiosity for me, but doesn't bring up any design flaws.
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Old March 28, 2013, 06:02 AM   #12
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I'll put that on my list of "things to worry about."

Just behind Zombie Dinosaur attack.
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Old March 28, 2013, 06:06 AM   #13
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Interesting story and certainly a freak incident.
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Old March 28, 2013, 08:10 AM   #14
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They should send the gun back to Ruger and ask for a transfer bar update.
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Old March 28, 2013, 10:47 AM   #15
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I don't carry a SA anyway, but this seems on par with the guy who's safetied 1911 went off when it got sucked into an MRI.
More an interesting physics question than a cautionary tale.
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Old March 28, 2013, 12:35 PM   #16
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wow.

ok, note to self, when planning on being in a motor vehicle crash, unload all firearms prior to crashing!

there you go, one more justification for my preference for New Model Rugers!
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Old March 28, 2013, 01:31 PM   #17
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Lol. That could be the FIRST EVER SA revolver that had barrel heat damage from rapid fire... You might have set a record.
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Old March 28, 2013, 02:04 PM   #18
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I'd say the gun going off was probably the least of his worries, at that point.
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Old March 30, 2013, 03:46 PM   #19
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I think you'd have a better chance of winning the lottery than to have that happen.
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Old March 31, 2013, 05:53 AM   #20
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Another good reason to have the safety transfer bar installed.
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Old March 31, 2013, 09:11 AM   #21
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A Glock 17 was known to have similar issues in an automobile accident when carried in the door pocket. After two mag swaps a total of 52 rounds were fired in full auto. The difference is all 52 bullets stayed inside the "O" of a stop sign nearly 50 yards from the scene and were found in the gizzards of a dead condor family nearby.

The BH story is almost as believable.
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Old March 31, 2013, 10:21 AM   #22
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LOL. I bet they'd fix it at no charge.
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Old March 31, 2013, 03:36 PM   #23
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LMAO treg.
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Old March 31, 2013, 07:57 PM   #24
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LOL. I bet they'd fix it at no charge.
Gun, nothing. I'd send the truck back and tell 'em it busted my gun.
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Old April 1, 2013, 03:26 PM   #25
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Let's see, the gun discharged 5 times with a single pull of the trigger; should the ATF be notified?
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