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March 25, 2013, 05:58 PM | #1 |
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Sen. Reid Beefs up "Base Bill" to Destroy Gun Ownership
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We now know a lot more about what's going to happen with gun control legislation than we did a few days ago. First, the number of the bill we are fighting is S. 649. Harry Reid introduced it on Thursday and brought it directly onto the Senate calendar. This means the bill can now come up at any time — probably soon after the Easter recess is over. |
March 25, 2013, 07:17 PM | #2 |
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The small but collective sigh of relief breathed by freedom loving Americans everywhere upon finding out feinsteins awb had been dropped from the main package of gun control laws was obviously short-lived. Right back into it we go. These people will lie, cheat, steal, and use any underhanded back alley trick they can to advance their unconstitutional agenda.
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Scary bill. I'd like to think this many crazy measures are going to basically kill the bill without any work but who knows.
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March 25, 2013, 11:28 PM | #4 |
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We haven't seen the text of the bill yet. Until then, all we can do is speculate. Judging from the synopsis I've seen, it would include the Fix Gun Checks (ie. universal background check) Act, which may kill any chance of passage.
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March 26, 2013, 01:25 AM | #5 |
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Isn't this bill absolutely impossible to pass in the house?
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March 26, 2013, 06:09 AM | #7 |
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^^^^ It's next to impossible to read unless you read it line by line with the Schumer bill. It ought to get nixed just because it's so difficult to figure out.
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March 26, 2013, 01:12 PM | #8 |
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Looks like a group of Senators are vowing to filibuster the current bill. Let Senators Paul, Cruz and Lee know you appreciate their strong support for the Second Amendment.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...-reid-vows-to/
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March 26, 2013, 09:27 PM | #9 |
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Sen. Reid Beefs up "Base Bill"
Maybe Sen. Reid is acting in the interest of the 2nd Amendment by putting this on the calender knowing it now needs a sponsor(s) Or is he now the sponsor? In any case it might be a ploy to kill the matter until after the mid-terms the thought being it will be doa.
He was there in 1994 so he knows first hand what the AWB94 did to the Dems during mid terms and it has been mentioned many times what Sen. Reids party really wants is total control in the Senate/House. So lets kill this and wait til 2015? |
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March 26, 2013, 09:50 PM | #11 |
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Since when does being able to read a bill matter? Remember the lady from California on Obamacare?
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March 26, 2013, 10:20 PM | #12 |
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Here is a link to the bill on POPvox. Please add your oposition to it: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/113/s649
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March 26, 2013, 11:09 PM | #13 |
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It looks like there will be a filibuster by Senators Paul, Cruz, and Lee. Basically they've sent Reid a letter warning him that they plan to block a vote on the bill and there is almost no way that 60 senators are going to publicly vote for cloture with an election less than 18 months away. I'm leaving out the link because it gets into the DC politics but it looks like we should be okay as long as everyone writes their senators regularly.
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March 26, 2013, 11:44 PM | #14 |
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I am very, very, happy we kicked Bob Bennett to the curb for Mike Lee. The man actually stands up for what he believes in. I may be headed out of Utah, it's entirely possible I will support his next campaign from another state.
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I have spent a fare amount of time refuting ridiculous comments and trying to talk about reason and facts on one of the sites today. Most the people just do not care about the reality of the bill. They do not want a rational discussion about it and even though I said nothing that would be overly objectionable on this site nearly all of my opponents and some supporters would be banned from this site quickly.
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Seams like once we the people give what, at the time, seams like a reasonable inch and "they" take the unreasonable mile we can only get that mile back one inch at a time. No spelun and grammar is not my specialty. So please don't hurt my sensitive little feelings by teasing me about it. |
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March 28, 2013, 02:19 PM | #17 |
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I live in a "closed" primary state. I am not a Democrat. Oregon Democrats hold a majority 16 seats in the senate and there are 4 Democratic representatives in Congress. These 20 elected individuals (with one exception) are not "gun friendly."
I suspect that most of these folks (who are currently backing, proposing and voting for restrictive and onerous firearm laws) will be coming up for re-election. I suspect that there will be other Democrats who will be attempting to unseat them via a win during the primaries. Although these Democratic challengers may have similar opinions when it comes to firearms and the 2nd amendment, they will have no vote regarding the current proposed legislation heading to congress. Over the years I've sent hundreds of letters and emails. I don't recall a single Democrat having the courtesy to respond. My supposition is that I wasn't of the "correct" party affiliation or was not in their district. On the other hand, the Republicans did respond, although not all of them. I do plan on sending letters in regards to Reid's Senate Bill 649 to each of these Democrats. I will also inform them that I'm changing my party affiliation to Democrat in order to vote in the primary. I will be giving one vote to anyone who challenges to unseat the incumbent. The only way to remove these politicians is to vote them out. Apparently the only way to vote them out is to play political games. If a million pro-gun Republicans became a million registered pro-gun Democrats we would have a stronger voice in this issue. |
March 28, 2013, 06:26 PM | #18 |
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Marko Rubio suggest his support for Paul, Cruz and Lee.
The Washington Post suggests the Democrats could still get the votes to beat a filly but I don't see the 60. But what do I know.
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Yep, the same Harry Reid that the NRA rated A or better because he got the new Vegas gun range paid for b y Fed money (of course if you follow who owned the land......)
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March 29, 2013, 01:11 AM | #20 |
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Harry Reid is in a very delicate position. We are fortunate to have an advocate in leadership behind enemy lines. NO ONE is in a better position to manipulate our opponents. Until I am proven different, my money's on Harry for this issue.
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March 29, 2013, 02:17 PM | #21 |
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I'm not sure what to think. I know his record on the issue, and his activities outside his office working with/for creation of the giant shooting park. Then he puts two bills almost all of us gun owners would describe as not-horrible to pretty-good in with S.374. This will either kill the two bills we like, or shove one we REALLY REALLY don't down our throats. There's a no-win there.
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March 29, 2013, 08:00 PM | #22 |
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Keep in mind that if -- and it's a big if -- this bill passes the Senate, it still has to pass the House; it's very unlikely that this, or any, version of universal background checks will pass muster there. Either the whole thing goes down in flames in the House, or they pass a version with, at most, the parts we're more or less OK with. Then the House and Senate have to come to some compromise, which, again, isn't likely to include UBCs.
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March 29, 2013, 10:20 PM | #23 |
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As I recall, Reid also said that there would be an open amendment process for this bill. I could see pro-gun senators from both parties amending the bill in such a way as to gut the Schumer UBC provisions and replace it with something more innocuous. This way, Reid could tell his party that he gave gun control the "vote it deserved" without actually passing anything that draws the ire of gun owners and the NRA.
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