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Old March 25, 2013, 09:41 PM   #26
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I want to see someone run a three gun match with one of those pink "rascal" peep sight 22's.
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Old March 26, 2013, 10:53 AM   #27
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Just a few thoughts;

First, 5.45 is not too small for 3 gun. It's perfect, whether you're shooting it out of an AK, or an AR. I've run 5.45 AKs in 3 gun several times, and it's a hoot. Magazines will be a little rough right now.

Second, you're not going to find a rifle worth owning for less than an AR-15. It is the most saturated, best supported market in tactical rifles in history. Shop the used market, buy components, put together your own... especially if you buy unfashionable parts (carry handle uppers, for example). Watch the classifieds like a hawk, get on some 'email me when back in stock' lists, and be patient. I think you could easily put together a rifle for $700 or less right now.
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Old March 27, 2013, 11:51 PM   #28
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I think you could easily put together a rifle for $700 or less right now
If you are talking about an AR15 for less than $700 right now I highly doubt that.

Your main problem would be finding a good BCG at a decent price. And what is the cheapest lower (stripped or complete) that you can find that is not polymer?

Sure you can take your chance with a Rguns BCG for $115, but I wouldn't. Stripped Lowers are still around $200+/- with the cheapest around $120-150 for a PSA... thats if you can get them in stock.

My suggestion is looking at a M&P15 Sport for $839. For a starter AR that is hard to beat. Some DPMS AR's have also shown up in my LGS for less than $800 but that is low-end IMO.
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Old March 28, 2013, 05:31 AM   #29
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dakota, im in the same situation as you are looking for a new rifle, im willing to drop a decent amount of money on something really nice. something that is in my opinion perfect... what that is i havent completely decided, but i dont want an AR15 either, never really liked the design, already have AK, SKS, already have an FAL on my shopping list for the .30 caliber category (though someone could still theoretically convince me towards a 30 caliber XCR)... but for the specific set of features im looking for, so far all ive found is the AUG/MSAR, and a rifle made by CZ that isnt even on the market yet
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Old March 28, 2013, 05:31 AM   #30
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I still think it's very possible... it would just take some effort. Just in the few minutes I was looking right now, I found a complete upper half, including BCG, for $600 (bushmaster) http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1...MEGA_Rail.html
This one people are avoiding because it was spray painted. I realize that this is not quite at the '$700 gun' price point, but it's getting close... maybe the seller is motivated.

If I could find a more unfashionable upper, for example with a fixed carry handle, or a DPMS extruded upper, it could be done for less, I have no doubt. You just have to put some effort in it, and move quick.

Palmetto has some uppers back in stock from time to time, I bought a brand new upper with a hammer forged barrel for $400 a few weeks ago, but finding a BCG outside of an upper that's not overpriced would be the trick right now.
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Old March 28, 2013, 05:52 AM   #31
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Here's a complete upper that recently sold on barfcom for $575...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1...ky_______.html

Agreed about DPMS being low end... but my point is, if you're quick, there are deals out there. I just finished building a few rifle myself on the cheap, but I already had BCGs from before the crazy.

The other good thing about an AR is that you can buy half now, half later, or buy as you can afford... and sell off parts you don't like, or upgrade the quality incrementally and affordably.

An $800 M&P would definitely be a better way to go, if you could find one.

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Old March 28, 2013, 09:53 AM   #32
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Re: Alternatives to the AR-15

Keltec su16?

If you want an AR though, get an AR. M&P Sport is a quality less expensive model.

Check out AR15.com if you haven't.
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Old March 28, 2013, 03:31 PM   #33
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How about a MAK90? I've used a SCAR16....
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Old March 28, 2013, 04:25 PM   #34
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To the OP, do you know what flavor 3 Gun you have locally? Some do not emphasize precision shooting at all and may stay within 100 yards, on the other hand some are all about precision and you may have targets well down range. I think this is a pretty important consideration when choosing your rifle platform.

Even if you're going out there just to have fun, it's way less fun if you end up spraying 90 rounds and never hit anything while everyone else got their hits in 10.

You're about to start walking the "false economy" road. 3 Gun isn't exactly cheap to do even if it's just for fun.
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Old March 28, 2013, 04:57 PM   #35
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Re: Alternatives to the AR-15

How about an M1 Carbine for what....$500? 30 Cal ammo expensive? Just tossing another idea out there. I don't shoot 3 gun...too much time and too expensive.
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Old March 30, 2013, 09:22 AM   #36
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I score about the same with a M1 Carbine as I do with my AR. I like shooting the .30 cal better than the 5.56. More mag changes with the carbine, but it's a lot of fun.
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Old March 30, 2013, 07:22 PM   #37
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I don't know what "flavor" we have but I'm pretty sure pistol caliber carbines aren't around... I'd love to have a Carbine at some point anyways but maybe not right now
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Old March 31, 2013, 07:32 AM   #38
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How about an M1 Carbine for what....$500? 30 Cal ammo expensive? Just tossing another idea out there. I don't shoot 3 gun...too much time and too expensive.
I haven't seen a M1 Carbine for $500 in well over 10 years. The cost of ammo to feed it will quickly intersect and surpass the ownership cost of an AR.
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Old March 31, 2013, 10:12 AM   #39
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Corrections Cop, we ditched the Mini-14 about 13 years ago and went with the AR-15, tower, outside work crews, etc. Heck, our outside work crew long guns used to be Winchester lever actions in 30-30! Went to the AR the same day we gave away the Ruger Security Six's and went to the Clock 17/19.
I'd go back in a heartbeat...

Options for a non-AR-15? Pardon me, gotta post this up again, then.

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Old April 4, 2013, 12:00 PM   #40
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now that obama gun grab 2013 just came to a screeching halt demand for 223 is going to go back down and soon after prices will fall back to pseudo-acceptable levels.
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