Value of M1 Garand?

DubC-Hicks · March 17, 2013, 04:11 PM

Hey guys, just wondering how much a 2.1mil serial number M1 from Springfield is worth? It's in great shape, but it has a 1952 H&R barrel on it.

WillyKern69 · March 17, 2013, 04:18 PM

I guess $700+- with out seeing the condition condition. Post some pics to get a better assesment.

But given the current panic, you might see $1000

WK

chris in va · March 17, 2013, 05:17 PM

Have you gauged the barrel?

DubC-Hicks · March 17, 2013, 05:24 PM

I picked it up at a gun show today for $700. I know the gunsmith that looked it over for the guy and he said it gauged a 3. I didn't have any gauges, but the bore looks perfect. I'm not sure how to post pics either. I'm on my phone.

Technosavant · March 17, 2013, 05:46 PM

Does it have original USGI wood?

There's pretty much no such thing as an all original as-it-left-the-factory M1 Garand; they've all been redone at various armories. While there might be some out there, they're very rare and bring a premium.

The CMP is selling good condition reconditioned Garands with new wood for around $600 or so, so $700 is not out of the ballpark. If yours has original USGI wood the value is likely higher, but even then I'd be surprised if it was over $800.

The current panic hasn't really affected the M1 much; while it's a very capable rifle its lack of a detachable magazine makes it unlikely to end up on a ban list (unless you live in NY state). The CMP has been swamped by orders, but that was happening before the panic hit.

I'd say you have a good shooter, but probably not something of extreme collector value (there's few that hit that level). Shoot it and enjoy your piece of history.

DubC-Hicks · March 17, 2013, 05:59 PM

I think it is the original wood. It has the P in a circle on the grip, and I think a very light cartouche on the left side, by the receiver. Hard to tell though. It shoots great.

tahunua001 · March 17, 2013, 06:08 PM

the P is the US acceptance proof, the left of the stock just about the trigger is the inspectors mark, the armory it came from and the inspectors initials. at some point in the 50s they switched to a universal stamp that's an eagle with 3 stars.

DubC-Hicks · March 17, 2013, 06:15 PM

The left side cartouche is very light, I can't really make it out. I took a couple pics even though I can't post them and the camera can't even pick it up. Did these have the crossed cannons or the flaming bomb?

tahunua001 · March 17, 2013, 06:35 PM

IIRC they should have the crossed cannons on the top of the barrel under the handguard.

DubC-Hicks · March 17, 2013, 06:40 PM

I meant for the side cartouche. But I'm sure the barrel won't have that because its an H&R.

tahunua001 · March 17, 2013, 07:01 PM

ahh, missed the H&R part, no I don't think springfield ever stamped the stock with the crossed cannons but I could be wrong, I'm also new the garands.

DubC-Hicks · March 17, 2013, 07:08 PM

Ok, so it might not be a cartouche, maybe just part of the grain. I'm really liking this rifle though. I've wanted one since I was probably 5 and finally got one.

IZinterrogator · March 19, 2013, 10:13 AM

IIRC, gauging a 3 is very bad. You basically have a Garand that should be shooting .303 bullets, not .30 caliber bullets.

tahunua001 · March 19, 2013, 01:16 PM

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IIRC, gauging a 3 is very bad. You basically have a Garand that should be shooting .303 bullets, not .30 caliber bullets.

garand gauging goes from 0-5, 5 meaning it needs a new barrel, 3 still has quite a bit of tread on the tires...

mapsjanhere · March 19, 2013, 01:20 PM

Are we talking muzzle or throat here? The throat gauge actually goes to 10, and CMP has been selling 5 and 6 as rack grade. Service should be around 3, so that's a nice throat.

tahunua001 · March 19, 2013, 02:31 PM

ah, I guess I was mistaken... thanks map,

IZinterrogator · March 19, 2013, 03:05 PM

I'm referring to muzzle. And although the gauge goes to 5 on the muzzle, that doesn't mean it's going to be very accurate at 3.

DubC-Hicks · March 19, 2013, 06:01 PM

Throat is a 3 then. He said it was a 3 out of 10. Not sure what muzzle is. I don't have a gauge. But it looks good.

IZinterrogator · March 20, 2013, 01:34 AM

Take a complete round and attempt to insert the bullet into the muzzle. If you don't hit brass or get really close to it, you've still got a decent barrel.

DubC-Hicks · March 20, 2013, 07:23 AM

I tried that bullet test with an HXP '78 and it still has about a 1/4" to go until it hits the casing.

DubC-Hicks · March 21, 2013, 11:53 PM

Does anyone have any favorite handloads for M1s? Surplus is drying up and getting expensive. I just picked up some IMR4895, 4064, and a box of 168gr SMK's. I'll hopefully get a batch done this weekend so I can test them out. Any other recommended powders/bullets?

tahunua001 · March 22, 2013, 12:07 AM

the hornady reloading manual has an entire section devoted to M1 safe 06 loads. just about all bullet weights use 4895 IIRC.

I haven't dabbled in any loads yet myself, all my brass is lake city and I'm too lazy to decrimp primer pockets so I'm going to wait for my HXP to arrive and play around with that for the mean time.

amx4080 · March 22, 2013, 09:14 AM

Here's a list of recent on-line sales you can compare to for value: GunStockMarket M1 Garand Sales, last 90 days.

Orlando · March 24, 2013, 12:07 PM

A muzzle that measures a 3 is far from being worn out.

DubC-Hicks · March 24, 2013, 12:37 PM

That's what I was thinking. And after trying the bullet in the muzzle thing, it doesn't seem like its even a 3. And I worked up a decent load yesterday. 47 grains of IMR4064, 168gr SMK. Didn't try for super accuracy, as its just a plinking load for now, but it shot pretty good. I didn't shoot for groups, but it hit what I was aiming at.

March 17, 2013, 04:11 PM	#1
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	Value of M1 Garand? Hey guys, just wondering how much a 2.1mil serial number M1 from Springfield is worth? It's in great shape, but it has a 1952 H&R barrel on it. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 17, 2013, 05:24 PM	#4
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	I picked it up at a gun show today for $700. I know the gunsmith that looked it over for the guy and he said it gauged a 3. I didn't have any gauges, but the bore looks perfect. I'm not sure how to post pics either. I'm on my phone. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 17, 2013, 05:59 PM	#6
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	I think it is the original wood. It has the P in a circle on the grip, and I think a very light cartouche on the left side, by the receiver. Hard to tell though. It shoots great. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 17, 2013, 06:08 PM	#7
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,609	the P is the US acceptance proof, the left of the stock just about the trigger is the inspectors mark, the armory it came from and the inspectors initials. at some point in the 50s they switched to a universal stamp that's an eagle with 3 stars. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

March 17, 2013, 06:15 PM	#8
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	The left side cartouche is very light, I can't really make it out. I took a couple pics even though I can't post them and the camera can't even pick it up. Did these have the crossed cannons or the flaming bomb? __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 17, 2013, 04:18 PM	#2
WillyKern69 Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 155	I guess $700+- with out seeing the condition condition. Post some pics to get a better assesment. But given the current panic, you might see $1000 WK

March 17, 2013, 05:17 PM	#3
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 11,718	Have you gauged the barrel?

March 17, 2013, 05:46 PM	#5
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 3,651	Does it have original USGI wood? There's pretty much no such thing as an all original as-it-left-the-factory M1 Garand; they've all been redone at various armories. While there might be some out there, they're very rare and bring a premium. The CMP is selling good condition reconditioned Garands with new wood for around $600 or so, so $700 is not out of the ballpark. If yours has original USGI wood the value is likely higher, but even then I'd be surprised if it was over $800. The current panic hasn't really affected the M1 much; while it's a very capable rifle its lack of a detachable magazine makes it unlikely to end up on a ban list (unless you live in NY state). The CMP has been swamped by orders, but that was happening before the panic hit. I'd say you have a good shooter, but probably not something of extreme collector value (there's few that hit that level). Shoot it and enjoy your piece of history.

March 17, 2013, 06:35 PM	#9
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,609	IIRC they should have the crossed cannons on the top of the barrel under the handguard. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

March 17, 2013, 06:40 PM	#10
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	I meant for the side cartouche. But I'm sure the barrel won't have that because its an H&R. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 17, 2013, 07:01 PM	#11
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,609	ahh, missed the H&R part, no I don't think springfield ever stamped the stock with the crossed cannons but I could be wrong, I'm also new the garands. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

March 17, 2013, 07:08 PM	#12
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	Ok, so it might not be a cartouche, maybe just part of the grain. I'm really liking this rifle though. I've wanted one since I was probably 5 and finally got one. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 19, 2013, 10:13 AM	#13
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Pierce County, WA Posts: 2,425	IIRC, gauging a 3 is very bad. You basically have a Garand that should be shooting .303 bullets, not .30 caliber bullets. __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams

March 19, 2013, 01:20 PM	#15
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,270	Are we talking muzzle or throat here? The throat gauge actually goes to 10, and CMP has been selling 5 and 6 as rack grade. Service should be around 3, so that's a nice throat. __________________ F 135 - the right choice

March 19, 2013, 02:31 PM	#16
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,609	ah, I guess I was mistaken... thanks map, __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

March 19, 2013, 03:05 PM	#17
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Pierce County, WA Posts: 2,425	Re: Value of M1 Garand? I'm referring to muzzle. And although the gauge goes to 5 on the muzzle, that doesn't mean it's going to be very accurate at 3.

March 19, 2013, 06:01 PM	#18
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	Throat is a 3 then. He said it was a 3 out of 10. Not sure what muzzle is. I don't have a gauge. But it looks good. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 20, 2013, 01:34 AM	#19
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Pierce County, WA Posts: 2,425	Take a complete round and attempt to insert the bullet into the muzzle. If you don't hit brass or get really close to it, you've still got a decent barrel. __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams

March 20, 2013, 07:23 AM	#20
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	I tried that bullet test with an HXP '78 and it still has about a 1/4" to go until it hits the casing. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 21, 2013, 11:53 PM	#21
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	Does anyone have any favorite handloads for M1s? Surplus is drying up and getting expensive. I just picked up some IMR4895, 4064, and a box of 168gr SMK's. I'll hopefully get a batch done this weekend so I can test them out. Any other recommended powders/bullets? __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

March 22, 2013, 12:07 AM	#22
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,609	the hornady reloading manual has an entire section devoted to M1 safe 06 loads. just about all bullet weights use 4895 IIRC. I haven't dabbled in any loads yet myself, all my brass is lake city and I'm too lazy to decrimp primer pockets so I'm going to wait for my HXP to arrive and play around with that for the mean time. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

March 22, 2013, 09:14 AM	#23
amx4080 Member Join Date: December 10, 2011 Posts: 47	Here's a list of recent on-line sales you can compare to for value: GunStockMarket M1 Garand Sales, last 90 days. __________________ The GunStockMarket

March 24, 2013, 12:07 PM	#24
Orlando Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2009 Posts: 166	A muzzle that measures a 3 is far from being worn out.

March 24, 2013, 12:37 PM	#25
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 213	That's what I was thinking. And after trying the bullet in the muzzle thing, it doesn't seem like its even a 3. And I worked up a decent load yesterday. 47 grains of IMR4064, 168gr SMK. Didn't try for super accuracy, as its just a plinking load for now, but it shot pretty good. I didn't shoot for groups, but it hit what I was aiming at. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown