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Old April 17, 2013, 01:13 PM   #326
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Reid is going to allow Grassley-Cruz to be offered after the vote on Toomey-Manchin; but it will need 60 votes - so probably dead.

Reed, Senator from some NE banana republic, argues for AWB.

Sen. Richard Shelby comes out swinging hard with a speech that would make TFL members think "Man, that guy is a little too gun crazy.". Very pro-2nd
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Old April 17, 2013, 01:26 PM   #327
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Reid is going to allow Grassley-Cruz to be offered after the vote on Toomey-Manchin; but it will need 60 votes - so probably dead.
I didn't think he'd have the guts to do so, but then again no one has been doing any arm-twisting on behalf of Grassley-Cruz, so you're right - there's absolutely no way it will get 15 or more Democratic votes, which is pretty much what it would take to get to a total of 60.
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Old April 17, 2013, 02:25 PM   #328
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Reid has been a tricky one to pin down on 2A matters, but this is pretty unexpected.
Not unexpected at all. He would love to have an AWB, but likely can't vote for one as NV is a fairly pro-gun state. With Manchin-Toomey looking bad, and the bill looking even less likely to pass, he can vote for an AWB and raise his score with obama and friends and not get voted out of office.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:04 PM   #329
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There may be a pro-gun procedural reason for Reid to vote for the AWB. I need to do more research. Calling the roll for voting now.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:09 PM   #330
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There may be a pro-gun procedural reason for Reid to vote for the AWB. I need to do more research. Calling the roll for voting now.
Perhaps. Or perhaps he's looking for an A rating from both the NRA AND HCI? Nothing would surprise me.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:28 PM   #331
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54-46! Toomey-Manchin fails.

Grassley-Cruz alternative up. Leahy arguing it is better to kill all gun laws in the Senate today than take Grassley-Cruz.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:29 PM   #332
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54-46! Toomey-Manchin fails.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:29 PM   #333
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Did you all notice Reid was last, and voted Nay?
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:33 PM   #334
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I did notice that. Ouch! Did you see Tester and Landrieu fell on their swords?

Calling roll for Grassley-Cruz alternative now.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:34 PM   #335
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That one is going to fail harder. Doubt it gets 46 yeas.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:34 PM   #336
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Senator Reid's office confirmed his support for the AWB on the phone with me a few minutes ago.

I have supported and defended Senator Reid here and elsewhere, given him the benefit of a doubt, assumed he was maneuvering on our behalf, but it is now my top priority to make sure this traitor is done here in Nevada.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:39 PM   #337
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Huge support for alternative. Will pass?... Hmmm maybe not, going to be close; but several TM votes got onboard.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:40 PM   #338
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Of course, what we're missing in our celebration, is we're still left with what Schumer put out. Which was still by far worse than Manchin-Toomey on the floor.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:45 PM   #339
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52 Y 48 N - Grassley/Cruz fails.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:48 PM   #340
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Is Cruz complaining a Straw purchase would be a straw purchase? If Dad send me to Cabelas to buy a gun for him with his money, it's a straw purchase even if Dad is the Chief of Police.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:55 PM   #341
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Here are all nine of the amendments to be voted on Wednesday:

Manchin-Toomey amendment #715. Failed 54-46

Grassley substitute amendment consistent with the summary which is at the desk; Failed 52-48

Leahy-Collins amendment #713 (trafficking) Failed 58-42

Cornyn amendment #719 (conceal carry) Failed 57-43

Feinstein amendment #711 (assault weapons/clip bans) Failed 40-60

Burr amendment #720 (veterans/guns) Failed 56-44

Lautenberg-Blumenthal amendment #714 (high capacity clip ban) Failed 46-54

Barrasso amendment #717 (privacy)

Harkin-Alexander amendment relative to mental health

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Old April 17, 2013, 03:56 PM   #342
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52 Y 48 N - Grassley/Cruz fails
If I heard right, this bill would have increased funding for school safety and funding for prosecuting current gun crimes.

Shows the true face of the anti gun people, its not about safety for kids its about getting rid of our guns.
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Old April 17, 2013, 03:57 PM   #343
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That's already in the base bill. They don't lose it by voting down the amendment.
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:20 PM   #344
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Cornyn amendment failed also.
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:37 PM   #345
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We really gotta get rid of our Tennis Shoe Mom. First she rips off Tom Clancy, and now she votes Aye to 711.
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:42 PM   #346
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I took particular pleasure in watching Feinstein's AWB crash and burn (40 yea to 60 nay).
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:47 PM   #347
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I took particular pleasure in watching Feinstein's AWB crash and burn (40 yea to 60 nay).
I vote aye on that sentiment....

ding dong, the awb is dead (for the time being).
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:54 PM   #348
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As sweet as this victory is, it's all the sweeter knowing Bloomberg isn't happy. If he's unhappy about something gun related, then I'm the exact opposite.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...l-huge-victory
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:55 PM   #349
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Re: S.649: Reid's Base Gun Control Bill

Obama just gave the most partisan speech ever
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Old April 17, 2013, 04:55 PM   #350
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Obama just claimed that this is "only round one". Don't relent. Let your senators know that you appreciate their "nay" votes, and try to vote out the rest.
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