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April 12, 2013, 07:45 AM | #276 |
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I think we all know where this will lead. "Publication"k and "internet" will be redefined administratively to basically cover every private sale.
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April 12, 2013, 09:21 AM | #279 |
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Jim, not every private sale/transfer is advertised. I know a lot of guns are sold between friends, at gun ranges, etc. - where no advertisement is conducted.
Point being only that the real goal here isn't to obtain additional background checks. The goal is to create an illusory imperative for universal firearms registration. |
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Well you and I are going to disagree on the goal on this one.
And I was pointing out there is a supposedly "legal" definition on the books for "publication" that's been established in slander/libel cases. Telling a third person you're looking to sell could be considered "publication" |
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April 12, 2013, 11:49 AM | #283 |
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IDPA is for sportsmen. Various other pistol target competitions are considered sporting events, even by the State of New York, they have a state exemption for some verbiage similar to qualified NRA sponsored target competition junk.
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April 12, 2013, 12:25 PM | #284 | |
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For states that already ban FTF sales, does this bill override their current laws and legalize FTF sales as long as they're not conducted at GunShows or over the Webz? This I doubt? These states already ban FTF sales... what happens in those states? California Colorado Connecticut Illinois New York Oregon Rhode Island Hanguns ONLY: Hawaii Maryland New Jersey Pennsylvania And just to be perfectly clear... FTF sales are still completely legal in states that allow it as long as there's no Gunshow or Internet/Publication involved? |
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April 12, 2013, 12:32 PM | #287 |
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Stricter state laws remain in place.
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April 12, 2013, 12:53 PM | #288 |
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"These states already ban FTF sales... what happens in those states?
<snip> New Jersey As screwy as New Jersey is, FTF sales aren't banned. For a FTF handgun private purchase (in addition to having a FOID card) the buyer needs to get his (4 part) permit through the normal process and it gets filled out and the seller keeps a copy, the buyer keeps a copy and the state and local PD each get a copy. For long guns, you can only sell to a FOID card holder and you each fill out a 2-part form and each keep a copy. |
April 14, 2013, 12:02 AM | #289 |
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If this passes, I wonder how long it will be before I see ads for .223 lawn mowers and .44 refrigerators in the local paper?
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Think of it, committing a possible felony considered by newsmedia to be worse than murder, and trusting the secret to a guy who wants to buy a used $250 pistol. Last edited by Battler; April 14, 2013 at 12:37 AM. |
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April 15, 2013, 12:43 PM | #291 |
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Votes on amendments, including Toomey-Manchin are scheduled for tomorrow morning. Just discussion until then.
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April 15, 2013, 05:48 PM | #292 |
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The anti-gunners may not have enough votes for cloture.
http://news.yahoo.com/gun-background...-politics.html |
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We'll see, according to the NYT, 4 Dems (Begich, Heitkamp and two unnamed) oppose Toomey-Manchin and 4 Reps support it (Toomey, McCain, Collins, McCain).
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April 15, 2013, 08:25 PM | #294 |
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I can imagine a lot of flip-flopping on both sides in reaction to the news of the Gottlieb Connection.
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As a recently minted life member of SAF, I am beyond perturbed at Gottlieb's involvement in drafting the amendment.
I understand the video of his speech in support of it is starting to be removed from sites. Mods may want to archive this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=E9UMox1WoTw |
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The AP is reporting that the vote is very close and that Democrats are pushing the vote out to allow more time for lobbying. Also, for those in Georgia Senator Chambliss has stated, “I'm not going to vote for it. It's not the right thing to do".
http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/social-issu...backing/nXMHg/
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April 16, 2013, 01:39 AM | #297 |
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Sad to see Gottlieb go to the dark side.
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April 16, 2013, 07:35 AM | #298 |
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AP reporting that there aren't 60 votes for Schumer-Manchin-Toomey and the vote may get pushed back to give the Senate time to make deals.
http://m.ajc.com/ap/ap/social-issues...backing/nXMHg/ Still nothing relevant yet... Still gavelling in. Debate scheduled for 11am Eastern. Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; April 16, 2013 at 09:01 AM. |
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April 16, 2013, 09:12 AM | #300 |
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S.729 and S.730 (both gun bills) offered to be read into the calendar. Senator objects. Bills placed on the calendar (this means they will be delayed 30 hours until they can be considered by the Senate).
Reid says Schumer-Toomey-Manchin supported by 650,000 SAF/CCRKBA members and he hopes it gets a vote. Last edited by Bartholomew Roberts; April 16, 2013 at 09:21 AM. |
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