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Old March 11, 2013, 10:38 AM   #26
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No, not paying these insane prices. I have a good stash of factory ammo that I have had for a long time. I only shoot my reloads and have managed to keep enough materials on hand to supply my shooting needs.
I must admit I am a little lacking in 22LR. I don't shoot it much and never imagined a shortage like what we've been seeing lately. When the prices and supply get back to normal I will stock up.
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Old March 11, 2013, 11:10 AM   #27
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went to the springfield gunshow yesterday .... lol prices out of controll... not buying at the prices that are out there................ reloading supplys are crazey too..... thank god i saw this comming .... well stocked for a long time..still shooting but not as much as before.........
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Old March 11, 2013, 11:34 AM   #28
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I'm not buying anything at inflated prices. In fact, I was just about to join a range again until the panic hit. Now, I'm giving up shooting for the foreseeable future. I have a good stash of ammo, but if I can't replace it, I will not shoot it.
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Old March 11, 2013, 11:48 AM   #29
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I about fell of my chair looking at CTD wanting $34.50 for a box of 9mm Tula. I used to shoot IDPA several times a year but now I'm just holding on to what I have. I'm researching, reading and planning on reloading as my next project over the next couple years to try to bring the cost down.
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Old March 11, 2013, 12:50 PM   #30
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Ive bought a bunch of Tula .380 at Wal-Mart, that was priced about normal.

With the scarcity of primers and the avialability of said Tula ammo, relatively speaking, it's easier just to buy three boxes a week at Wal-Mart for my sister than try to reload.

Another than that, not buying anything for personal use.
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Old March 11, 2013, 01:43 PM   #31
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My local shops have avoided price gouging, however every shipment of 9mm/.223 goes out as soon as it comes in.
This week I took a road trip to the next town (Freemont) and they had everything in stock, at highway robbery prices. A box of Winchester .22's that should sell for less than $20 was priced at $100! A box of large pistol primers, same rip off price.
The guy at the counter asked me if I wanted anything, I just looked at him, shook my head in disgust and walked out the door.
I used to go target shooting every week, now I'm holding onto what I have and refuse to pay scalpers prices.
Thats about the price I saw on Gunbroker when I checked it on a lark. I was as shocked as you are (made me think about selling some actually). I guess thats the true market price at this immediate point.
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Old March 11, 2013, 03:14 PM   #32
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1) People are obviously buying it at those prices...or else that wouldn't be the prices.
2) I don't buy anything at a severely inflated price. If it's a couple bucks a box more, I'll pay it. But reports of, for example, $0.60 a round for 115gr 9mm FMJ (the same price I paid for my premium SD ammo, pre-panic)...I wouldn't buy that.

Most of the places I get my ammo from, they kept their prices down, but they limit the amount. The place I usually get my ammo raised the price about $1 or $2 a box, and I'm ok with that.
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Old March 11, 2013, 04:41 PM   #33
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Ammo at inflated prices. Are you buying it?

I wish some of the local gun stores weren't price gouging. Every gun store I've been in has been charging $30 a box for 50 9mm fmj. Needless to say I won't be purchasing any thing from them. I've never really been a regular in the gun stores anyway, I've preferred to buy online or at gun shows when the price is right.
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Old March 11, 2013, 08:26 PM   #34
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2 words...black powder. I forgot how much fun a muzzleloader is. The hawken got a 12 round workout this weekend. Mine is converted for 209 primers, which are around in quantity...even with Biden's recomendations.
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Old March 11, 2013, 10:50 PM   #35
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I only buy it sometimes.

the last time i bought a box of 325rd 22lr was $25, I didn't really mind because I was just happy it was local and available.

5.56/223 is more ridiculous so I haven't bought those lately
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Old March 11, 2013, 11:09 PM   #36
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I was in a gun shop today that had lots of ammo. The prices were really high which for me explains why they have so much on hand. They also had a large volume of firearms in stock. The price s struck me as high. Later I checked and they were charging list price or even above list price on many things. I'll pass.
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Old March 11, 2013, 11:12 PM   #37
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I haven't bought ammo for months.
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Old March 11, 2013, 11:20 PM   #38
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I picked up 2 100 round boxes of CCI Hi Velocity 22 long rifle for $9.99 each. It's been so long since I bought CCI Hi Vel I can't remember if that's too much.

Is that too much?
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Old March 12, 2013, 06:49 AM   #39
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No, I will not pay inflated prices for ammo, nor guns. I reload, and have been able to get components at reasonable, pre-panic prices. I have limited my .22LR shooting and have been shooting more centerfire because I can make it. I can't find .22LR, and I won't pay exorbitant prices that only encourages more price hikes.

Buyers, not sellers set market prices. Don't buy, and prices will come down.
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Old March 12, 2013, 07:05 AM   #40
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I haven't even bothered looking...

I keep reading about empty shelves and scalper prices, I don't like crying...
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Old March 12, 2013, 10:02 AM   #41
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I would hate to see it happen but probably the quickest way to resolve the situation is for the manufacturers to jack their prices up significantly. Temporarily of course. This could help them expand their operations so they can produce more ammo and make it less profitable for opportunists. Perhaps give the opportunists some reflection on what their actions have caused.

I would rather see the manufacturers benefit more than anyone else as they are going to need the money to expand considering the banks are giving ammo and gun companies a hard on loaning them money thanks to political leveraging.
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Old March 12, 2013, 10:07 AM   #42
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I'm quite sure these 'inflated prices' will become the new normal prices... (i'm not speaking about the flipping prices) Seriously when have you ever seen retail ammo go DOWN in price?

Walmart's in my area have raised most of what I buy from them up an average of three dollars a box. I've NEVER seen their ammo go back down once it goes up not even on sale... Exception is the large shotgun boxes, but I mean handgun & rifle rounds.

Much like gas prices once they realize people WILL pay for something at a higher price why not charge the higher price?

The sucky part is Group A IMO about it is the 90% of gun owners who are establishing this precedent are those who probably won't go thru the ammo they purchased in panic for YEARS... They are the ones that have guns but never any bullets until the day comes they want to go to the range. I've never understood that who has a gun but no ammo? This statement isn't intended as a slight but multiple people I know have done this. I don't understand it they were fine last month having zero bullets now all of a sudden they want pallets of the stuff?! Way to plan ahead.

We shooters Group B the ones that put a LOT of rounds downrange, most likely have a stash that we build up over time so we are good and don't need ammo as often. But in the end the price increase done by group A won't really effect them very much because whats 3 dollars more on your yearly range trip? Now three dollars a box per the thousands of rounds Group B uses on average that tends to add up very quickly...

But hey I've been wrong before. We can see how this plays out.
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Old March 12, 2013, 10:55 AM   #43
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I'm a college student who just got into firearms about a year or two ago. I didn't buy much ammo because funds are always tight and I buy when I can. Now I'm just not shooting. Can't find ammo and if I can it's too expensive.

And now Homeland Security is placing an order for 1.6 billion rounds
Hopefully this doesn't further affect the situation.
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Old March 12, 2013, 11:16 AM   #44
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I'm quite sure these 'inflated prices' will become the new normal prices...
I was living in (The People's Republic of) California during the housing boom. People were saying the exact same thing then. They were wrong. Prices came down with a vengence when supply met demand.

Ammo manufacturers are working to replenish the supply but it's going to be awhile. Within minutes of my house we have a Bass Pro, an Academy and 5 Superwalmarts. At every single store they have people waiting in line when they open in order to buy as much ammo as possible.

Guaranteed these people are hawking their wares on Gunbroker. There's plenty of stuff available there. It's almost comical. Check it out.

Prices will come down when supply meets demand. Now, if something happened and manufacturers were no longer manufacturing ammo, that would be different.

Here's a note from Hornady.

http://www.hornady.com/support/availability

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The current political climate has caused extremely high demand on all shooting industry products, including ours. Empty retail shelves, long backorders, and exaggerated price increases on online auction sites – all fueled by rumors and conjecture – have amplified concerns about the availability of ammunition and firearms-related items.

If the information you hear doesn’t originate from Hornady Manufacturing, don’t believe it.

Here are some of rumors we’ve heard, and questions we’ve received:

•Have you stopped production, or has the government forced you to stop?
◦Not at all.

•Did you stop selling bullets so you could only make loaded ammunition?
◦Absolutely not.

•Since we can’t find your product you must be selling it all to the government.
◦Nope, less than 5% of our sales are to government entities.

•Why can’t you make more? Ramp up production? Turn on all the machines?
◦We’ve been steadily growing our production for a long time, especially the last five years. We’ve added presses, lathes, CNC equipment, people and space. Many popular items are produced 24 hours a day. Several hundred Hornady employees work overtime every week to produce as much as safely possible. If there is any question about that – please take a tour of the factory. You’ll be amazed at what you see.
We are producing as much as we can; much more than last year, which was a lot more than the year before, etc. No one wants to ship more during this time than we do.

We appreciate everyone’s understanding and patience. We don’t know when the situation will improve, so please bear with us a little longer. And remember, when it comes to Hornady Manufacturing, if you don’t hear it from us, please don’t believe it.
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Old March 12, 2013, 12:27 PM   #45
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I was living in (The People's Republic of) California during the housing boom
I dunno if housing boom could really be comparable. You don't need to pay upkeep on your ammo its just a one payment purchase and it can sit for DECADES and be fine...

Just like gas prices creep up I feel ammo will follow suit. its usually a dollar at a time. Now even if the manufacturers might only adjust the price on the chance that cost of materials increase. We still deal with the distributors and then retailers... each one knows they can take a slightly larger cut because people are paying for it now... why not keep it higher? If the ammo at walmart (cheapest retail example) dropped back down three dollars I would be very surprised and impressed.
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Old March 12, 2013, 12:42 PM   #46
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I dunno if housing boom could really be comparable.
Yes, it's comparable. It's all about economics. If the supply meets the demand, prices will fall, assuming nothing has happened to manufacturing capability. I know we get tired of hearing about it, but it's all about basic economics, and nothing has happened to manufacturing. That's the point. Manufacturers are ramping up production and at some point, supply will catch up to demand.

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Just like gas prices creep up
Again, it's basic economics. Gasoline isn't comparable because we have severely limited production of our resources due to [the current political state]. If they would allow us to harvest available resources, you'd easily see prices fall.
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Old March 12, 2013, 01:25 PM   #47
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The natural gas market is another example (but surplus supply this time). Prices have fallen dramatically because demand growth has not followed pace with substantial supply growth.

And remember demand won't stay at elevated levels forever. There's only such much national "budget" that can be earmarked for bullets. Current budget level expenditures are not sustainable. Sooner or later other pressures will come into play (aka collevtively the wives found out "you spent how much?") and demand will fall.

I wish I had a history of GB pricing for a type of .22 in the last six months. Thats the effective market price currently and it would be interesting to see the price trends. If those prices stabilize for a couple of weeks then we're at the high point, and it will start to fall. Indeed with any bubble, it may fall quite quickly.

INdeed. just flipped over and I am looking at two federal bricks about to sell for $75. I will wait and see what it closes for. But if they are that price at final then the "market price" may have already started falling as I was looking at $100 last week.

EDIT: yep small runs are in the $75 range. Looks like larger purchases are in the $80's - $90s. Ticked now - I see now where all the federal and remington has gone to.

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Old March 12, 2013, 02:17 PM   #48
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Ammo prices around here don't seem to be inflated much....if they have it. Last week I bought 3 boxes 50 ct. of Speer 9mm 124 gr @ $14.95 ea. That's the only 9mm they had except HydraShoks. They had no .380. Dicks had 380 @ $18.95 Rem UMC and WWB 100ct for $34.95?. No .22. My LGS has an ample supply of 9mm factory reloads @ $10/ box 50 ct. so I picked up a few boxes of that. He has no other 9mm except Hornady HP and no 380, and no .22. The other Dick's farther away, but I was going by last week, had no 9mm, no .380 and no .22.
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Old March 12, 2013, 02:41 PM   #49
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Reload!

If you are a shooter you need to start reloading. It isn't hard, is enjoyable, and will save you a lot of money. Components are hard to come by right now so keep it in mind for the future. Example: I cast my own bullets for .45 ACP and can reload with them for about $3.00 or so for 50. You can reload 5.56 for 1/4 the cost of new ammo. As for .22 LR, I didn't see a shortage coming, it was a bit of a surprise. But, I keep about 8K on hand so I have plenty to shoot and help out a friend in need.

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Old March 12, 2013, 03:29 PM   #50
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I am considering sending an email to the manufacturers to ask them to raise prices. Why should the middle man get all the profit?

Also if they raise the price for the civilian market I see no reason why should not raise it for the government market as well.

While almost everyone suffers out here due to opportunism, the federal government could care less because ammo has not gotten any more expensive for them.

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