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Old March 8, 2013, 09:17 PM   #26
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+1 on the CCI recs above. Love em and they cycle even all of my Semi .22lr handguns reliably. Another comparable "hot-load" .22lr are the Aguila Super Maximum 30-gr. HP which are also very reliable for cycling semi-action pistols. That said, .22lr is by no means a recommended defensive round (though I carry a Bobcat 21A BUG) but it is also not to be dismissed if that is what you have at hand. Now for target ammo just get the chaep Bulk boxes of really any major brand (WallyWorld stuff is fine for cheap practice).

Prior to the "PANIC" I purchased a GSG 1911-22 specifically to save money by usiing this fine almost exact model of my actual .45acp 1911. But heck, now I cannot even find .22lr ammo to shoot at the moment (moments are turning into days, days into weeks, weeks into months etc...).

Be proud and become expert-like with whatever you have at hand and when you get the chance to "upgrade" and so desire, go for it. Lastly, another option for budget-minded individuals (anymore that means essentially all of us ) a good solid pump-shotgun which still can be had for well under $300 in this panic--for HD/CQB IMO it reigns supreme.
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Old March 9, 2013, 11:08 AM   #27
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I'll break from the crowd here and say Winchester Super-X Powerpoints. They're a full 40 grains and have a wicked hollow point. I haven't shot them out of a handgun, but from a rifle they're real effective on anything I've shot, up to critters a 22LR has no business taking down.

Nothing against CCI, though. MiniMags, Stingers, and Velocitors are all rounds I've used a lot and they all work real well, too.
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Old March 20, 2013, 01:02 AM   #28
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When i first started carrying the only gun i had was a Smith 34-1 4". It was underpowered yes but i got my permit and figured it was better then a stick. For my self defence load i chose the 40gr minimag round nose. Most hollow points i had fired in ballistic tests from .22 handguns had very poor penetration. Sometimes less then 5 inches in gel. The round nose may not expand but i trusted it to dig much deeper in a would be murderer, allowing for a better chance at hitting vital organs. Just my 2 cents.
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Old March 20, 2013, 06:49 AM   #29
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I'd choose any "full 40 grain non-hollow point ammo" made by CCI for the ignition reliability. I've shot well over 9 K rounds of CCI ammo-(majority being blazers)..- and not 1 dud so far. Would never bet my life on Remington, Winchester, or even Federal for that matter- IMO.

The frangible ammo isn't reliable for deep penetration, as well as anything less than 40 grains.

CCI Velocitors would be a great choice despite their shallow dimple of a hollow point. This is a P+P+ full 40 g. load of the .22lr realm with a controlled expansion.
There's actually only slight expansion in most medium.

Practice practice practice.....

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Old March 21, 2013, 09:42 PM   #30
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My question is what 22 shell would be good for home defense if that's all you have.
Any good high velocity .22 round like Remington Golden .22s.

See the .22 for home defense relies on accurate shot placement more than anything.

A good Ruger 10/22 rifle with 10 to 25 round mags makes a real good HD long gun (I prefer the 16 bbl 'bantam' versions myself for this) and a reliable .22 pistol also.

Good thing is you can actually practice with your HD ammo alot (well you will once the ammo craze dies down.)

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Old March 21, 2013, 10:03 PM   #31
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I would go with FMJ CCI Mini Mags. Stingers are great and all but don't function 100% in all .22's due to the longer profile.
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Old March 21, 2013, 11:15 PM   #32
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My question is what 22 shell would be good for home defense if that's all you have

1. Disregard any notion of what is going to be the best "stopper"

2. Use whatever is the most reliable in your gun. (could be different for each one)

3. Accuracy is a tie breaker
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Old March 22, 2013, 02:17 PM   #33
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Accuracy (within reason) is the least important factor in a defense firearm.

Reliability of gun and ammunition is the most important factor, and I think that relates to what I also consider important - confidence. Confidence that the tool available will do the job and confidence that you can handle it properly.

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Old March 22, 2013, 02:32 PM   #34
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Some considerable time ago, someone posted regarding ammo choices:

"Stick with the Big Five: Federal, Remington, Winchester, CCI, Peters." -- not necessarily in that order. Once upon a time I owned a Jennings semi-auto in 22 cal. 6+1 capacity I think. I never felt that it wouldn't at least seriously slow down an assault.

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If you can place a round in the brainpain any .22 will work.
If 22 LR was what I had available, I'd get into the mind-set of emptying the gun, pretty much point-blank, center of mass. Would be nice to have a mag option, rather than having to reload a revolver.

Head shot is good IN THEORY, but in fact the first thing that goes in a defensive situation is small muscle control. You want to go for CENTER OF MASS, and be close enough that you'll hit it. (Under 10 feet). The SECOND part of your 22 cal. strategy is to develop and refine a speedy retreat.

ANY firearm serves as a potent deterrent. No one facing down the muzzle of a 22 LR handgun is going to taunt and cajole. The ol' 22 cal. is a favorite choice for hit-men in the mob -- because it's LETHAL.

At the risk of seeming to side w/ DKS Joe Biden -- your apparent budget constraints and current availability would suggest that a used 12 gauge would be an excellent choice.

Chuck Karwan in "Combat Handgunnery" -- in the FIRST chapter -- advises: "Never take a handgun to a gun fight." You want a rifle or shotgun. I had a State Trooper, when I asked him how he liked his 1911 Colt Gold Cup compared to the standard issue Glock 22, also noted: "The side arm serves only to cover my butt until I can get to the long guns in the squad car."

Used shotgun should come easy --

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Old March 22, 2013, 08:54 PM   #35
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CCI Velocitors or Winchester Super-X 40 Grain Hyper Velocity shells.

Both are heavy / fast rounds as .22 LR's go with well designed HP bullets and they pack a wallup.
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Old March 22, 2013, 10:00 PM   #36
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All I have is two 22 pistols & one rifle. My question is what 22 shell would be good for home defense if that's all you have.<SNIP>
CCI Stinger for hard(er) hitting and reliability. It is probably the most reliable 22LR cartridge around.

I've shot Stingers from the 90's and they were still fresh as the day they were produced. No excess smoke, a good loud bang, & decent "recoil" (as much recoil as you can get from a 22LR). All of which are good indicators.

I suspect it is because Stingers are one of the only 22LR cartridges with a roll crimp (like 22 Mags). All other 22LR cartridges I know of have heeled bullets where moisture can get in over the long run.

If I were going to use 22LR for defense, I'd take a box - shoot half & load the other half in the same firearm.
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Old March 23, 2013, 12:07 AM   #37
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CCI Velocitors would be my choice in .22 LR. While they are a hollowpoint, they won't typically expand from a handgun, which is probably a good thing because the lack of expansion enhances penetration. What I like about them is that not only do they penetrate reasonably well for a .22, but they also tend to destabilize and yaw at handgun velocities.
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Old March 23, 2013, 01:35 AM   #38
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Stingers use a heeled bullet just like every other .22 lr.
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Old March 23, 2013, 01:56 AM   #39
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I load my NAA .22LR with 3 CCI Mini-Mags first for the penetration issue as stated above, and then with two CCI Stingers as follow ups. I figure with the first three ill get my penetration to vital areas, and if things are still unpleasant at that point, the Stingers will give all of what little energy transfer there is from a .22. Just my thoughts.

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Old March 23, 2013, 11:15 AM   #40
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Stingers use a heeled bullet just like every other .22 lr.
So I had to trudge over the moat surrounding my man-cave, down its bunker, and dig down 3 feet of dirt to dig out my stash of CCI Stingers.

Well, I guess we are both right. CCI Stingers used to have a crimp. The pics show a box from <gasp> Sports Authority (which doesn't sell firearms any longer) from the 90's.

I also checked the new boxes...nope...no crimp...all smooth. Kinda sad actually. Country's going to hell in a hand-basket (and I say that only with a bit of tongue in cheek).
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Old March 23, 2013, 11:21 AM   #41
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All I have is two 22 pistols & one rifle.
CCI Velocitors from the rifle. The barrel length will let its velocity build up to where it's supposed to be. From the pistols, I think Winchester Power Points would be the thing. Those big hollow points would probably work even from shorter barrels.
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Old March 23, 2013, 02:02 PM   #42
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I carry Stingers in my Bobcat. Mini Mags are more accurate and use a heavier bullet, but the Stingers use a nickel plated case so they cycle real smooth.

Stingers also turn my M&P 15-22 into a real good fighting weapon.
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Old March 23, 2013, 02:08 PM   #43
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Crimped or not, they are heeled bullets.
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Old March 23, 2013, 05:32 PM   #44
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Ok - Heeled bullets WITH a rolled crimp.

Still, no other 22LR that I have run across that has that and it seems neither does CCI Stingers anymore.

Going back to the OP, if I were relying on 22LR for defensive purposes, I would change out the ammo on a regular basis and more often if using 22LR for carry.
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Old March 23, 2013, 10:21 PM   #45
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Another comparable "hot-load" .22lr are the Aguila Super Maximum 30-gr. HP which are also very reliable for cycling semi-action pistols.
Not in my Walther P22. They were 100% unreliable. No exageration, not a single round fully functionrd tye slide. It would eject the spent case, but not pick up a new live round. The P22 as been very reliable with other types of ammo from RGB to CCI MiniMag. My guess is that the light bullet didn't provide enough recoil force to push the slide completely back far enough to pick up the new round.
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Old March 23, 2013, 11:37 PM   #46
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Another comparable "hot-load" .22lr are the Aguila Super Maximum 30-gr. HP which are also very reliable for cycling semi-action pistols.
Not in my Walther P22. They were 100% unreliable. No exageration, not a single round fully functionrd tye slide...
That's quite interesting in that it's a hotter load than the Stinger which would seem to lead one to believe that it would operate a semi's action even more reliably...? I know that's the case with all of mine as well as my range buddies via SIG 1911-22's, SR22's and M&P pistols as well (granted no Walther's though).
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Old March 24, 2013, 10:41 AM   #47
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I think I have one more box of the Aguila so I might give it a try in my Buckmark, and PT22 Poly. Not planning to feed theme a regular diet of it however.
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Old March 24, 2013, 11:10 AM   #48
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Good point--I typically will break in my .22lr. semis with either the CCI or Aquila hot-stuff. Once I have done so I use the cheap bulk stuff almost exclusively to save both money and wear and tear (my BUG's always have Stingers). The example that immediately comes to mind is the SIG Mosquito which consistently jammed on all ammo until several hundred rounds of Stingers were run through it. It's kind of analogous to how I use the +P ammo in my larger calibers.
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Old March 24, 2013, 11:20 AM   #49
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No one facing down the muzzle of a 22 LR handgun is going to taunt and cajole.
Oh, I dunno ..... there was a guy awhile back in South Omaha that continued to challenge the homeowner to a fight after being shot in the leg with a .22 rifle ..... he eventually rushed the homeowner again, and was shot in the chest .......

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Old March 24, 2013, 11:21 AM   #50
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While most would not recommend 22lr as a primary round for defense... sometimes its all that you have available.

And while any bullet can be deadly if it hits just the right spot or other circumstances line up... There are round choices that help increase your chances of stopping an attacker.

Because 22lr is so much smaller in mass and cross sectional area than common pistol calibers, and the velocity is much less than the closest sized rifle round (.223/5.56mm)... the only thing you can really rely on is adequate penetration for effect on the target. So you need to pick rounds that maximize penetration.


The CCI Velocitors work well in pistols. The short barrel lowers velocity and the bullet does not expand and acts like a solid point. Because of the lower velocity of a pistol, expansion would lead to poor penetration.

Velocitors out of a 3" barrel will penetrate about 15" in gel tests.

I believe they penetrate about the same out of a rifle, with the added benifit of expansion, due to the higher velocity.

If you can not find Velocitors, which is most likely, get some CCI solid point Minimags. Not the hollowpoints, as they will not penetrate as well out of a pistol, and rifles will not let them penetrate much better. About 8" and 12" penetration in gel respectively, if memory serves.

If you can't find those... any 40gr solid point bullet with at least 1200fps velocity should work. The problem is that 22lr is known to have unreliable ignition. CCI is the most reliable, I have never had a round of CCI (not including bulk CCI) fail to fire on the first strike. This is why most people recommend CCI for defense roles if 22lr is all you have.

Most of the quality brands are almost as reliable, so long as you do not buy them in bulk.

If bulk is all you can find, I find the Blazer (made by CCI) to be good, and also the Winchester M-22. Both are 40gr solid points.

But do not forget feeding reliability... any round that will not feed reliably in your gun is never a good choice, no matter how good of performance it has down range on a target.

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