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Old March 5, 2013, 09:40 AM   #51
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Yes, safety is first and foremost. Always.
But- if the intent on being safe is the potential cost of not being able to operate your pistol when you really need it, the risk outweighs the reward. So to speak
I absolutely agree with that, 100%
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Old March 5, 2013, 09:42 AM   #52
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I am not trying to argue with anyone, I answered the op original question and why. My gun does not stay in the holster 100% of the time. It gets pulled out of the holster at night because it serves as my nightstand gun also. It gets pulled out of the holster for a number of reasons. Pretending like it never comes out of the holster would not work for my lifestyle. Maybe some of you live in a high crime area and it is understandable of your concern to be chambered. I do not live in that environment. I very very rarely find myself in those environments. On occasion I do put one in the chamber when I feel the risk is that high. As far as my comfort level, I am very comfortable with a loaded weapon. But I only load it when it is necessary. I am not condemning anyone for keeping a pistol chambered. The same reason I don't chamber a round when carrying is also similar to why I keep a tlr1 on my pistol at night. I prefer to make sure I have identified my target before I pull the trigger. I would have no idea if it is my son trying to sneak into the house or an intruder without that light. How many times has someone shot a loved one at night thinking there was an intruder because they failed to identify their target. If only they had exercised safety and used a light. I operate this way in the name of safety not the opposite.
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Old March 5, 2013, 09:47 AM   #53
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OP - Do what makes you comfortable. But, take any advice from internet experts with a grain of salt. If an individual feels that he/she is likely to encounter a situation where there won't be time to chamber a round, then by all means, carry a round chambered. For most of us, we won't ever encounter a situation where we need the gun. My retort to some of the comments about training would be that if a person anticipates "fumbling around" when trying to chamber a round, then that person is the one who needs to train more. That's just my opinion. I know others have a different opinion, and I can totally respect that.
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Old March 5, 2013, 09:51 AM   #54
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Yes, an unloaded gun is not very useful.
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Old March 5, 2013, 09:53 AM   #55
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if a person anticipates "fumbling around" when trying to chamber a round, then that person is the one who needs to train more
Some of us would be proficient at responding to a crisis situation, and be able to chamber a round quickly... however, many people never train to that level and believe a gun is talisman that will protect them just by having it there.

Let me ask you... if you were being grappled by an opponent, would you able to chamber a round? Or if one hand was injured?

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Maybe some of you live in a high crime area and it is understandable of your concern to be chambered. I do not live in that environment
If I could predict whether I was going to be attacked on any given day, I could just leave my gun at home most of the time
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Old March 5, 2013, 09:54 AM   #56
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AH74,

I carry that way because I do analyze risk vs reward. Everybody will come to their own conclusion on risk vs reward in how they carry. That is just mine.

I would rather have the gun unchambered and with me than no gun at all. My first attempt if in a close quarter hostile situation would be to create distance vs instantly pulling my firearm.
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Old March 5, 2013, 10:08 AM   #57
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My first attempt if in a close quarter hostile situation would be to create distance vs instantly pulling my firearm.
That would be mine as well. All I'm saying is- if you do need to pull the gun and in any way fumble the slide rack, the gun is useless. That is a very real possibility- it is one function that has a high degree of causing failure.

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It gets pulled out of the holster at night because it serves as my nightstand gun also.
I only have one gun that is loaded and stays unholstered, and it is in the safe. Any other gun which is loaded is never put anywhere without being holstered. And that goes for my EDC which is in my nightstand at night. If the EDC is pulled from the holster, it goes right into another holster for the purpose it will then serve.

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I would have no idea if it is my son trying to sneak into the house or an intruder without that light.
You have a voice, right?
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Old March 5, 2013, 10:57 AM   #58
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On occasion I do put one in the chamber when I feel the risk is that high.
Vurtle, while I always carry chambered, I understand your reasons for not doing so. With training, practice, enough room, and both arms free, racking the slide doesn't take too long. You're definitely more protected than if you carried an empty gun or no gun at all.

But the above comment makes me wonder: If you don't ALWAYS carry with a round unchambered, how do you keep track of which condition your weapon is in when drawing in a stressful situation? I wonder if you would still rack the slide when drawing, even if you already had a round chambered. Or worse, you might draw the weapon and NOT rack the slide, forgetting that you had recently unchambered a round.

For me, I find that carrying my weapon the same way every time eliminates the need to constantly remember whether I have a round chambered or not. I draw every gun the same way every time. When I draw my Glock I still swipe my thumb like I'm flicking off the safety on my 1911. I think if I sometimes carried the weapon un-chambered I would be constantly trying to remember if I needed to rack the slide when drawing or not.
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Old March 5, 2013, 11:08 AM   #59
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I generally carry a revolver, so technically yes, I carry chambered.

But, when I carry a semi-auto, it's normally either a Taurus PT-22 (double action .22) or an HK P7PSP.

Because of the action style, both are designed to be carried safely with one in the spout.
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Old March 5, 2013, 11:10 AM   #60
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It is a good point Theo. For me, chambering is so rare and is for such a short period of time that I do not forget. I safety check my gun every time I put my hands on the gun, to include holstering and unholstering every time. I also train drawing my weapon and racking the slide often. I also train racking my slide simulating one hand damaged. The gun is always empty and no magazine when practicing these. I also practice drawing my pistol and quietly racking my slide to simulate something like being stuck in a hostage situation and not wanting to alert the bad guys.
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Old March 5, 2013, 11:22 AM   #61
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I also practice drawing my pistol and quietly racking my slide to simulate something like being stuck in a hostage situation and not wanting to alert the bad guys.
Try that with a magazine in the gun. Most semi-autos will not chamber a round "in slow motion". Thinking you can rack the slide of a semi-auto in a "hostage situation" and do it discreetly is wishful thinking, to put it mildly.

Here are a couple of reasons/explanations/arguments why you should carry chambered.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed-ca...und-chambered/

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sig...-a-loaded-gun/

There's thousands more, use Google and read what people have to say. Be open to changing your mind. Opinions are one thing, opinions that remain in the face of an avalanche of contradictory information are another.
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Old March 5, 2013, 11:50 AM   #62
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Glock 32 and 26 chamber the round with no prob. I like having my opinion challenged. It challenges me as to if my view is right or not. And makes me stronger if I change my view for the better or it makes me stronger if I find my opinion to be correct. I will check out the links tonight.
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Old March 5, 2013, 11:59 AM   #63
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As said, this is an old debate.

The core concepts are:

1. You do not trust yourself to ND the gun or that someone else will get the gun and shoot the wrong thing.

-- If you do not trust yourself, get a new gun or train.

2. You carry in a low risk environment. That is not sensible because no matter where you are, if you need to use the gun - that's it. It needs to be used quickly.

3. Years ago, I broke my wrist and it was disabled in a cast. I have trained with one handed injured shooter techniques. In fact, I took a class on such with the broken wrist. If you are disabled in a fight, have to manage a phone, kid or other loved one with the other hand - you are well behind the curve.

If a recent IDPA match we did an unchambered stage - try it under the moderate stress of a match. You lose time.

But the choice is yours. I prefer to be confident with my equipment and not handicap myself.
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Old March 5, 2013, 12:49 PM   #64
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Posted by Vurtle: As far as my comfort level, I am very comfortable with a loaded weapon. But I only load it when it is necessary.
The real problem with that idea is that one may lawfully draw a firearm only when the threat is imminent and the necessity is immediate.

As Glenn E. Meyer put it, "... no matter where you are, if you need to use the gun - that's it. It needs to be used quickly."
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Old March 5, 2013, 05:33 PM   #65
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Old March 5, 2013, 06:09 PM   #66
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Many of us here understand the reason for your question. I've shot pistols ever since I was old enough to buy my first, many years ago. However when I received my carry permit around two years ago, I was very scared to carry a round in the chamber. I pictured all sorts of accidental things happening. I listened to what my instructors had to say (including my brother in law who is a police chief and range officer) and read the same things the very knowledgable people here and other places had to say. However in the end none of these things helped to lessen my distrust of carrying a loaded gun.

This is what it took for me. Your list may be different.

*Along with the Normal safely rules of carrying a firearm, I also made my own resolutions which I NEVER break. First and foremost was/is to never become lazy. I never lay my gun down randomly--It is always in use, in a holster or locked away. You would never find a loaded weapon of mine on the dash of a car. RULE 1. All weapons are loaded.
*My first carry gun had to be an automatic and have a manual safety.
*I carried my Ruger SR9c everyday, all day with no round in the chamber for two weeks. I checked it every night to make sure the trigger had not accidently went off.
*I carried for one week after that with no round in the chamber and the safety engaged. I checked it everyday to make sure the safety had not disengaged.
*I then carried with a round chambered and the safety on. I will admit I was very nervous for weeks after that.

Two years later and I now carry a Kahr CM9 and a Taurus TCP 380 with no manual safeties and a round in the chamber. I think for some of us it is just a progression we have to go through. Modern firearms are safe. People are not. Make the proper commitment, carry a modern gun in a modern holster made for your weapon, Never once get lazy about your commitment, or gun safety rules or your commitment to safety.

I think it's good to be just a little scared and have respect for your firearm. It's like riding a Harley, as soon as your not afraid anymore and too comfortable, disaster is just around the next corner.

Thats my 2 cents.
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Old March 5, 2013, 09:35 PM   #67
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I sometimes carry a Kahr PM9 in a pocket holster. Yes, there is no mechanical safety, but the long trigger pull and the mass of brain between the ears do a pretty good job of avoiding NDs.

I always carry it as follows: fill magazine, chamber round, drop magazine, add round to magazine, insert magazine.

I have not ever found it neccessary to use the slide release to chamber a round, but I never 'ride' the slide on any of my firearms. So 'slingshotting' the slide does pretty much the same thing as releasing the slide release to chamber a round. But please, by all means, do follow what Kahr recommends.
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Old March 5, 2013, 11:43 PM   #68
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On the high quality holster/brush bit, MANY revolver holsters do not cover the trigger to a degree I would call adequate. I own one and I will never use it again. It wasn't cheap or from an irreputable manufacturer. I bought it used very cheap. If I ever find it looking through one of my boxes of random firearms buys that didn't work out, I will cut it up and toss it.

There have been threads on here about it and MANY have posted in defense of such holsters.

A while back I was out with a rifle and unexpectedly ended up sliding/rolling/tumbling down a steep hill after losing my footing. No discharge, but I can't make the claim that it was impossible that both the trigger and safety could have been manipulated during the slide and the rifle discharged. Had I been wearing the pistol in the holster many here have defended, it would have had a decent chance of discharging.
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Old March 6, 2013, 02:04 AM   #69
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I carry my Sig 226 with full magazine and one in the chamber. To me an empty chamber is an empty gun. But then I store all my guns loaded even in the safe.


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Old March 6, 2013, 05:56 AM   #70
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Unchambered.
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Old March 6, 2013, 01:25 PM   #71
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Yes..... Ammomaster270... That is one neat safe...

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Old March 6, 2013, 01:36 PM   #72
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Yes, an unloaded gun is not very useful.
True a unloaded gun does not have a magazine in it.

As for carrying with a round chambered i would say what ever the person is comfortable with. Just remember lots of people shoot themselves every year carrying with a loaded chamber. Probably more than ever need to use their firearm in a self defence situation. Weigh up the pros and cons and make a choice you will have to live with your decision not people giving advice on the Internet.
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Old March 6, 2013, 01:52 PM   #73
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Yes I absolutely carry chambered, There is only one reason to even pull it out (to defend my or someone's life), and pulling an empty weapon or a fake weapon has been the last mistake of many people.
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Just remember lots of people shoot themselves every year carrying with a loaded chamber. Probably more than ever need to use their firearm in a self defence situation.
Really now.

Source of this "statistic" and examples, please.
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Old March 6, 2013, 02:01 PM   #75
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do you carry chambered?

My PM9 is is in a pocket holster, with a round chambered always. The holster is key to safety as well as finger location.
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