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Old April 6, 2013, 01:07 PM   #76
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Yep!

You and me both.

I am told that a trapdoor will shoot fairly well even though the bore may be less than perfect.

I hope that is right.

Tnx,
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Old April 6, 2013, 01:08 PM   #77
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Just don't use jakcketed bullets in it Doc.
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Old April 6, 2013, 01:16 PM   #78
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Nope

I am using the Lee mold 405 grain bullet in probably BHN14 lead.
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Old April 7, 2013, 07:01 PM   #79
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Saddle Ring and Rail

A replacement saddle ring and rail goes for about 80 bucks. So being a tightwad, I decided to try to make my own.

I started out with strap stock that was significantly oversized and milled it down to the right width.



Cut and shaped the pads and bent the rail to fit.



After braising the parts together, I drilled and counterbored the screw holes.

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Old April 7, 2013, 07:06 PM   #80
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Saddle Ring and rail

Even though the originals used round stock of different sizes for the ring and rail, mine are the same size.



Here is the fixture attached to the rifle.




And a view fromt he port quarter

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Old April 7, 2013, 07:11 PM   #81
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Here are a coupla shots....

....Of the more or less finished rifle



and the starboard side

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Old April 7, 2013, 07:20 PM   #82
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Shaping up good Doc.
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Old April 7, 2013, 11:10 PM   #83
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My TD carbine has the bar & ring sawed off. Guess they didn't like the noise.
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Old April 8, 2013, 07:47 AM   #84
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SAWED OFF!?

In the immortal words of Peter Boyle, "Holy Crap!"

As technicians we modify our tools and that process results in improvements to our tools. (How many different kinds of hammers are out there?)

So, sawing off the saddle ring rail must be viewed as an effort to improve the tool (the rifle) as interpretted by the guy who sawed it off.

Maybe he didn't have a saddle.
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Old April 8, 2013, 09:27 AM   #85
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Not bad. You want to sell it?

S/S
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Old April 8, 2013, 10:46 AM   #86
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Re: I love my trapdoor so much....

Really really nice. That will be a riot to shoot and an awesome family heirloom
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Old April 8, 2013, 11:16 AM   #87
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Two reponses

CM,

Thanks. The family would not appreciate it so it has to be a "Doc heirloom". But you are right. I can't wait to shoot the SOB.

S/S,

Everything is for sale eventually. I'd want too much for this one. I am going to shorten the barrel on the other one just as I did this one. When I have two that are alike, I may come to the conclusion I have too many. (Or as it is with revolvers, not enough.)

As Hawg says, there are a coupla inaccuracies in this rifle and also in the other one when it is finished.

Too expensive to make it a true representation of a carbine.
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Old April 8, 2013, 12:27 PM   #88
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I was just kidding yaw Doc. I wouldn't take your pride and joy away from you. Hmm? ~~?~~Yaw I would!!!_
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Old April 8, 2013, 03:44 PM   #89
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Very nice...

You do fine work Doc!!!

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Old April 8, 2013, 04:08 PM   #90
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Thanks Birch

I am learning.
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Old April 8, 2013, 04:13 PM   #91
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You got the cake, bring on the icing!

The suspense is killing me! Please shoot it. I got's to know.
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Old April 8, 2013, 04:41 PM   #92
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We are on the same page, Strafer....

My wife is out with her pals tonight.

I might just make up some bullets. I am thinking Sunday.
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Old April 9, 2013, 10:54 PM   #93
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Wow....love it, Doc!
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Old April 10, 2013, 05:38 AM   #94
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Thanks, Skipper

I have worked myself up to about 150 rounds of .45-70.

As long as I replace failed cases periodically, I think this may be enough to keep me going.

I bought the Lee .405 mold and have been shooting those bullets.

I have been less than careful as regards hardness but I believe I can keep hardness above 13 consistently now that I am paying closer attention.

That bullet has three wide grooves.

I am going to use beeswax and mutton tallow in one series of rounds and beeswax and Lard in another. I want to compare the performance of these two differently based lubes.
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Old April 10, 2013, 07:46 AM   #95
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nice replacement saddle ring.
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Old April 10, 2013, 07:55 AM   #96
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Thanks, Gary

I just mixed up some lube with lard as opposed to mutton tallow.

Since lard is less viscous than mutton tallow, it appears that the revised mix should be 1 part lard to 2 parts beeswax. That gives me about the right consistency. Of course this must be taken into account when calculating the cost of the lube.

These two mixes are pretty stiff.
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Old April 14, 2013, 03:33 PM   #97
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FINALLY!!!

I got to shoot this thing.

What a great shooter!

With my eyes I can keep the slug inside the nine ring at 25 yards consistently.

The sight is way too short but once I figure the right height for the sight, this thing is going to be a real pleasant surprise.

I am using the 405 gr slug from the Lee mold. Triple Seven with powder to the bottom of the bullet an no compression drive the slug to about 1200 fps.

I use both lard based lube and mutton based lube interchangeably with identical performance.

I love this rifle so much....I might make another one.
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Old April 16, 2013, 10:38 PM   #98
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I envy you!

Man, what a sweet pea shooter, Doc! Really dig the worn look; it adds character! Well done!
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Old April 17, 2013, 01:24 AM   #99
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Thanks, Skipper

I imagine that the shooting qualities of this rifle are better than the other trapdoor that I have with a 29 inch barrel and the original muzzle crown.

I am wondering if I can make that one shoot better by cutting and crowning the barrel.

It will certainly look better.
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Old April 22, 2013, 05:47 AM   #100
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Finally got off my A __ __ ....

And made the taller sight. I calculated .080 inch taller than the first sight to correct the POI that I experienced last week end.

Made it a little over tall so I can file it down if needed.

Now I need to go back out and see how it shoots.

My Uncle (RIP) was a serious hunter in SE PA. He shot .270 in a Remington and .308 in a Marlin 336. (Factory loads) He always zeroed his deer rifles at 25 yards. He said this put him right on at hunting distances (150 - 250 yards)

So my strategy is to not even try shooting longer than 25 yds until I can get it right. Then I will go out to longer ranges.

I think this 22 barrel has better shooting qualities than the other trapdoor I own which is an uncut and original crown 29 inch barrel. I am thinking I can improve that rifle as a shooter by using the same process I did on this one.

Cutting that barrel did two things:

1. It rid me of the last ten inches of barrel which was in the worst condition

2. It compelled recrowning the barrel

Thoughts anyone?
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