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Old March 1, 2013, 01:06 PM   #1
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Help me pick a caliber 6.5x55 to 7x57?

i live in the east, biggest thing i can easily take is a black bear or go to kentucky for elk. I have a 7mm-08 barrel for my encore and love it, but its also my blackpowder rig, so ive been wanting to pick up another rifle (maybe a ruger american or marlin xl7, even thought about an h&r single shot), to have laying around to use in a pinch. I was just going to get another 7mm08, but then i thought maybe choose a more suitable caliber should i want to hunt out west one day with a longer shot (nondangerous game).

I dont like recoil much over the 7mm08, and researching i found the 6.5x55, 260, 7mm08 and the 7x57 are all comparable in recoil, all tried and proven rounds etc. Im leaning hard towards the 7x57 but wanted some input before i go there.
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Old March 1, 2013, 01:28 PM   #2
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The 6.5 Swede is an amazing cartridge but there isn't a bit of difference between the 3 mentioned. The 7x57 might be the hardest to find. Ruger is the only manufacturer that I know of that currently chambers that cartridge. I have seen a few elk tipped over with the 6.5 and helped a dad and daughter haul an 800# 6x6 bull out that the girl shot with a 7mm08.

The 7mm08 might be easier to find ammo for in your neck of the woods.
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Old March 1, 2013, 01:41 PM   #3
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if i was going to use it for a mountain shot on a goat or sheep (my bucket list dream hunt), say possibly over 400 yards, which would you go with?
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Old March 1, 2013, 02:06 PM   #4
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of the three I would choose the 6.5 for goat or sheep, but honestly if you are going to spend the money that a sheep or goat ($10K minimum for goat and around $30K for sheep) hunt costs or go through the many years of applying for a tag, you might want to think of something with a little more performance like a 7 or 30 magnum ( either long or short ).

I have personally applied for goat and sheep tags in MT for 12 straight years and never get drawn.
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Old March 1, 2013, 02:08 PM   #5
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wow, didnt realise it was that tough to get a tag. Id read the 7x57 was so popular in europe i was thinking that ammo would be plentiful too. thanks for your input
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Old March 1, 2013, 02:24 PM   #6
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Getting a goat tag in AK or British Columbia is pretty easy but a pricey hunt. On average you have a better chance getting drawn for elk in KY every year than getting a sheep tag in MT or CO. There is a hunting district in the Missouri Breaks area of Montana that gets 9000 applications for 6 tags.

Regarding a mountain rifle, weight is the most important factor. You want a very light rifle that is carried a lot and shot a little. All three of those cartridges are more than capable of taking a sheep of goat at 400. You just want to make sure you can anchor the animal. I saw a goat that went down a 1000' scree slope. It took days and rappelling gear to get him out.
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Old March 1, 2013, 06:36 PM   #7
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I think the 6.5 X 55 Swede is an outstanding cartridge. Accurate and low recoil. One of these controlled round feed M70 featherweights in 6.5 Swede would meet your needs, if you can find one.



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Old March 1, 2013, 06:48 PM   #8
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270win! That was easy!
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Old March 1, 2013, 07:23 PM   #9
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All great cartridges with a lot of overlap as others have said. To make matters worse, you may also want to consider the .260 Remington which is pretty much equivalent to the 6.5x55 but in a shorter cartridge for short actions. It is analogous to the 7mm-08 and the 7x57 which are also similar in performance to each other in a different length cartridge.
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Old March 1, 2013, 07:43 PM   #10
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if i was going to use it for a mountain shot on a goat or sheep (my bucket list dream hunt), say possibly over 400 yards, which would you go with?
For THIS particular scenario, I would go with something different entirely - a 257 Weatherby.

Otherwise, the 260, 6.5, 7-08, and 7x57 are all to close to really be that much of a difference. If you already have a 7-08, then spend the money on ammo and practice. 140 partition will work nicely
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Old March 1, 2013, 11:11 PM   #11
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You going to build a rifle? I cant think right off of any production rifle company still chambering 7x57's. All my data shows the 7-08 faster than the 57 in all relevant bullet weights.
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Old March 1, 2013, 11:44 PM   #12
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I know the swede's use the 6.5x55 for moose quite successfully. Knowing how aggressive, nasty, and mean moose can be that seems like a pretty good recommendation to me.
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Old March 2, 2013, 12:23 PM   #13
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Why are you even looking at the other cartridges? Stay with the 7mm-08. Zero, none, nada reason to change.
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Old March 2, 2013, 03:54 PM   #14
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I've seen .270wsm take goat at 750+yrds. the .270 win is not far behind on the energy levels.
pretty much all calibers from 6.5mm-7mm are quite versatile. They are capable of both varmint and bigger game hunting.
6.5-06 Is a cool cartridge as well.
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Old March 2, 2013, 06:05 PM   #15
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If you want that yardage, then do a 6-284; otherwise be ethical and hunt at ranges you will be successful at
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Old March 2, 2013, 10:30 PM   #16
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To the OP, - it sounds like a .25-06 would be perfect for your needs. It will do everything you mentioned as good or better than the calibers you are considering. If you want to go with a short action caliber, the .260 is a good idea, but also consider 6.5 creedmoor. Nothing wrong with 7mm-08, but you already have one.

Marlin offers the x7 in .25-06, but the Howa 1500 is a better choice in that price range IMO. The rifles you listed as options will limit your caliber choices a bit.
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Old March 4, 2013, 07:15 PM   #17
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Old March 5, 2013, 04:18 PM   #18
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hadnt thought of the 25-06, thanks
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Old March 5, 2013, 05:15 PM   #19
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Well, I have three rifles chambered to the 7x57. Nuff said? I did, many years ago build a custom rifle in 6.5x55 but other than test firing it, I never got a chance to use it on game. I was working with a gunsmith as he was teaching me how to git-R-done and was in the process of drilling and tapping the gun when a fellow walked in, saw it and when he found out it was mine, made me an offer I just could not refuse. ($500 plus a Reminton M600 Mohawk in .308 Win.)
If you can chase down the Winchester M70 push feed model and put a 2x7 Leupold scope on it, you come quite close to perfection IMHO. I love mine and the only one I like better is my custom based on an FN Mauser action. Both rifles are .75" guns on average with ammo they like and both seem to like just about everything I run through them
Rifle #3 is a Ruger #1A but this one and I got off to a bit of a bad start. It had one of those not so good Wilson barrels and had to be sent back to Ruger. It took Ruger 7 months to get it back to me but what a difference. Now it can almost stay up with the other rifles usually averaging right at one inch.
For all practical purposes, the 7x57 and 7-08 are the same thing, especially after you develope good handloads for the 7x57. factory ammo is anemic because of all the old Spanish Mausers and Remington rolling block rifles that are still in use. Factory 140/145 loads are supposed to do abouty 2600 FPS. My handload using 140 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips do 2800 FPS and make tiny groups. I won't give out that load because it's two hot in my custom Mauser and borderline hot in the Ruger.
To be honest, if you never plan to shoot bullets heavier than abouty 160 gr., then you might as well just stay with the 7-08. But what fun is there in that?
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Old March 5, 2013, 07:39 PM   #20
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Avoid the H&R. Not very well made. If you like your 7mm-08, just pick up another Encore frame. You can get a brand new frame for about $300 delivered.
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Old March 5, 2013, 07:51 PM   #21
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the 264 winmag is making a comeback. i vote for a brand spankin new m70 and then send it to me
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