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Old March 2, 2013, 09:25 PM   #51
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I like the votes for .256 Win Mag, I forgot about that one. I'd like to see someone chamber a lever rifle for it. Would be a decent short range round for game up to deer size with almost zero recoil. But I understand why its obsolete. Its a little large and slow for varmint hunters, and a little small and slow for most deer hunters. The current hunting rifle market is so focused on velocity that they think the faster the bullet travels, the better it kills.

With the right bullet, the animal will be just as dead when a bullet hits at 2000 fps as it is at 3000 fps.

Zombies on the other hand, must be shot in the head by a bullet traveling no less than 3200 fps. That explains the market trend.
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Old March 2, 2013, 11:47 PM   #52
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I also have a savage 23 b. I have not fired it in quite a few years, though.

I sort of wish it were in .32-20, though,, as I have two revolvers in that round.
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Old March 3, 2013, 12:32 PM   #53
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get rich plan !

50-70 ammo/cast bullets at $110 for box of 20 ? Looks like I found some for $86 to $90 a box of 20....what a bargain !
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Old March 7, 2013, 05:39 PM   #54
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11mm Mannlicher. or 41 Swiss.
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Old March 7, 2013, 10:20 PM   #55
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Another vote for the .33WCF

Also like to see US Manufacturers chambering for 6.5x55 Swede and .280 Rem

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Old March 7, 2013, 10:28 PM   #56
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How to bring back an obsolete caliber or get ammo makers to make your favorite wildcat?

It's a three step process.

1. Decide which caliber you want to see available.

2. Persuade a gun maker to make guns in that caliber.

3. Persuade 20 million people to buy the guns.

The ammo makers will be right along with the ammo.

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Old March 7, 2013, 10:34 PM   #57
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Bringing an obsolete caliber back to commercial production

.223 Remington
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Old March 8, 2013, 02:51 PM   #58
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Haha, I have 1 round of 6mm Lee Navy that I found in a jar of .30-40 Krag
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Old March 8, 2013, 07:14 PM   #59
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Ruger used to make its #1 in .303 British not too long ago. That has now, sadly, changed. A shame. I would also like to see a 215gn factory load resurrected in this cartridge that DOESN'T have to be shipped in from the UK. If you're going to fire a blunt-nosed bullet out of that cartridge, only the heaviest will do...
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Old March 9, 2013, 12:18 AM   #60
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.310 Cadet for me.

The Ruger No. 1 in .303 British was a one-off, 250 made in total, and I hear all but about 50 went to Canada and Australia, so it's a real scarce rifle here.
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Old March 9, 2013, 12:39 AM   #61
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Have seen a few I like in here...I would like to see a high performance bolt action 284 Win. I also think 257 Roberts and 7x58 Mauser have died unnecessary deaths.
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Old March 11, 2013, 07:30 PM   #62
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My thoughts are the obsolete cartridges are obsolete for a reason.
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Old March 12, 2013, 08:16 AM   #63
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"My thoughts are the obsolete cartridges are obsolete for a reason."

Yep...

Generally, people are somewhat less intelligent than chimps, meaning that they are easily distracted by the newest, shiniest bauble...

In other words, if it's new, it's got to be better than what we've got now, right!

A lot of good cartridges have fallen prey to that sort of mentality over the years.
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Old March 12, 2013, 08:29 AM   #64
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Bringing an obsolete caliber back to commercial production

Of course, a few good, new ones have fallen to "I've used X since I could wak, my dad before me and his dad before him!" too.
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Old March 12, 2013, 09:56 AM   #65
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"Of course, a few good, new ones have fallen to "I've used X since I could wak, my dad before me and his dad before him!" too."

I'm reminded of the story of Elmer Keith at the 1977 Remington Writer's Conference when the 8mm Remington Magnum was unveiled...

"What the hell good is it?"

To be perfectly honest, in my opinion, there have been fewer than a dozen "good, new" cartridges introduced since 1950, and perhaps 2 since 1970.
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Old March 12, 2013, 08:05 PM   #66
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Mike, I would disagree. The 30-06, .45-70, .22lr, 7.63X54, and .30-30 are all around and kicking. If a cartridge is truly wonderful, it will survive.
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Old March 12, 2013, 08:56 PM   #67
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the brass cased technology is about dried up. not much else left but propellant development.

Any new cartridges that have been developed in the last several years are simply media bombs. There isn't anything a new cartridge can do today that one developed 50-60 years ago couldn't already do. Powder development gives the new cartridges what appears to be a boost over their progenitors until the reloader gets to use that propellant on the older cartridges and make them into even better ones.

telescoping plastic cased ammunition will be the future.
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Old March 13, 2013, 06:50 AM   #68
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The .45-70 was deader than a doornail for close to 50 or so years until people "rediscovered it" due in large part to the Civil War, Bicentennial, and Indian Wars anniversaries.

It took the CASS games to breath a spark of life back into cartridges like the .38-40 and .44-40, among others.

The 7.62x54, and a lot of other European military cartridges, are alive and kicking right now largely because the Eastern Bloc opened their arsenals and flooded the United States with robust, but far from excellent, guns and unbelievable amounts of cheap ammo.

Americans love a bargain.

But a prime example of an exceptional cartridge that has largely fallen by the wayside is the aforementioned .250 Savage. None of the "replacements" that have some along since really do anything better than the .250.
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Old March 13, 2013, 01:08 PM   #69
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Could one neck up .22-250 cases to make .250 Savage ammo?
Might work to feed a old .250 Model 99.

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I got my 23B dirt cheap because the previous owner could not find ammo for it, so obsolete chamberings can result in great deals on older rifles.
Hard to get ammo can result in some of these rifles having never been fired much, so bores may remain in great condition.
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Old March 13, 2013, 02:21 PM   #70
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Mike, I do see where the .250 Savage has its place. I retired my .25-06 for a .257 WBY, so the .250 Savage does not appeal to me very much.

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Old March 13, 2013, 03:02 PM   #71
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But a prime example of an exceptional cartridge that has largely fallen by the wayside is the aforementioned .250 Savage. None of the "replacements" that have some along since really do anything better than the .250.
Mike, Savage Model 14 & 16 are still chambered in 250 Savage.

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Could one neck up .22-250 cases to make .250 Savage ammo
Yes, there is a lot of good .22-250 brass out there. Winchester still makes brass for the 250 Savage. Remington is the only manufacturer of loaded ammunition for the 250 Savage, and they only have one offering (100 grain).

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Old March 13, 2013, 05:36 PM   #72
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I know the components are available for .250 Savage because I loaded my father in law up 200 of them last year from new brass he brought me.
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Old March 13, 2013, 07:39 PM   #73
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I would also add that there were perfectly "okay" cartridges that were eclipsed by technological advancements and such and replaced by "better" cartridges.

Example: The .38-44 being replaced by the .357 Magnum.

Still not sure what happened to the Super .38 though....
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Old March 13, 2013, 08:34 PM   #74
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.38 super is still alive. RIA makes a .38 super 1911 that I wouldnt mind having. Dont know about factory ammo availability though... I dont really look for it. I imagine its not too awful hard to find.
Armscor is making their own ammo now so they may load .38 super?
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Old March 13, 2013, 08:37 PM   #75
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Yes, the .38 Super has made quite the comeback due to it being the lightest recoiling of the major power rounds.

My question is why it left in the first place.

My local gun shop has a post-war Colt Government Model in .38 Super for right at $900 bucks.

I look at that gun and think of men like Melvin Purvis and Elliott Ness.
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