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Old February 21, 2013, 10:54 PM   #26
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With a door that swings inward, a $2 rubber door stop can be a lifesaver. I keep one in my suitcase for hotel doors too.

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Old February 21, 2013, 11:04 PM   #27
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Pax another good thing she can keep in her class which shouldn't bring attention is wasp spray by her desk. It has about a 25 foot spray and its a straight stream aim for the eyes and face should blind the person for a good time for her and the kids to get out..

I have a lot of friends and family as teachers (including my wife) So we are talking about these kinds of things all the time trying to figure out new weapons that can be used to protect them and there students.
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Old February 21, 2013, 11:17 PM   #28
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We talked about that -- but with elementary kids, she didn't think it was a good idea to have a poison within reach.

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Old February 21, 2013, 11:39 PM   #29
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One wall of the classroom has knee-to-ceiling windows. She has visualized breaking one of those windows with a chair, and has a heavy rug from the classroom that she could throw over the opening to keep anyone from getting cut as they climb out, if they need to flee for any reason.
Windows that big might be tempered glass. Have her get a spring-loaded center punch to break it. They are about $5 and about the size of pencil. (useful for starting wood screws too)

What kind of door knob? Maybe some way slip a 2x6 with a slot in it over/through the door handle and wedge it against the door frame? (would be a lot easier if the door had steel hooks attached to to accept a 2x4) This could be a lot faster and stronger than using para-cord. OTOH, it could be used by a crazy student to barricade himself in the room.
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Old February 22, 2013, 12:39 PM   #30
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It's good news.

Some are right, they are realizing they might have to fight to keep their life.

They are realizing someone else might not be able to do it for them, or stop it before it happens.

It puts the burden where it belongs, where they have deluded themselves into thinking it shouldn't have to be ... but it is.

Now once they face the fact that they might have to fight an armed assailant with a pair of scissors, maybe the sheep will grow claws and demand something more effective and face the realization that self defense means defending yourself.

It's high time folks pulled their heads out of the sand and woke up to smell the coffee.
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Old February 22, 2013, 04:07 PM   #31
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Maybe those are steps in the right direction. I certainly agree with the well thought out processes that Pax mentioned.

I do worry that such well thought out plans will be used as excuses for why we don't need carry. I've heard that thought.

But I agree you should plan within your given parameters.
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Old February 22, 2013, 04:48 PM   #32
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With a door that swings inward, a $2 rubber door stop can be a lifesaver. I keep one in my suitcase for hotel doors too.
When I saw this, all I could think was "D'oh! Why didn't I think of that?"

From time to time, my wife takes on work as an adjunct instructor at a nearby university. I'll be investing $2 before she returns to that job.

Thank you, pax.
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Old February 22, 2013, 04:58 PM   #33
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When seconds count ...! Actually, after allowing teachers to be armed, this is not a bad idea. My fear is that this will be sold as a total solution instead of another tool.

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Public Schools Installing ‘Panic Buttons’
February 21, 2013 11:39 AM

Adam Lanza, Marietta Public Schools, panic buttons, sandy hook elementary school
MARIETTA, Ga. (CBS Atlanta) — Marietta Public Schools have added “panic buttons” to its schools in response to the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

WGCL-TV reports that these “panic buttons” will immediately place a call to 911 when pushed by school officials.
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...panic-buttons/
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Old February 22, 2013, 08:11 PM   #34
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Yes, I summarized because I think spending time to look for a weapon is pretty close to a no win scenario.
I am sorry you feel that way. If you think you will be defeated because you don't have a gun, then I have to believe you. With such a mindset, that makes you a predetermined victim.

Being without a gun may certainly be a disadvantage, but there is no reason to believe it must be a no-win scenario. Too many people have been victorious in no-win scenarios.
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Old February 22, 2013, 10:03 PM   #35
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I will repeat my advice on one of the best nonlethal and readily available weapons which can be effective in defeating an assailant.

A standard ABC Dry Chemical Fire Extinguisher.

They are located every where and easily accessible.

The chemical is caustic.

When it gets in the eyes it cause immediate pain and tearing. if not washed out it can cause permanent damage to the eyes up to blindness.

When inhaled it causes asthma like symptoms including uncontrolled coughing.

When ingested it causes burning to the throat, gauging and can cause vomiting

NOTE: Except for the vomiting and permanent eye damage, I have experienced the effects personally.

Anyone of these events will severely limit the attackers ability to continue the attack.

To employ the Fire Extinguisher.

Assume a low defensive position ( preferably behind cover) about 15' from the entry point. This allows the agent to form a cloud but still has a solid stream.

Aim at the by face. Sweep rapidly from side to side. This disperses the agent and creates a cloud which is easily inhaled. The stream will coat the face and eyes.

The fire extinguisher is a good second choice when my 1911 is not available.
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Old February 23, 2013, 12:00 AM   #36
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Fire Extinguishers and IPads to be Regulated

Last week, in my city's newspaper (Louisville Courier Journall), there was an article about teachers being trained to deal with attackers. One of the suggestions was that they throw iPads.

I think the fire extinquisher idea is better.

But, alas, as soon as the authorities realize that these items can be used as weapons, they will quickly become illegal, or so tightly regulated that they will be of marginal effectiveness.

Students will only be allowed to use iPads that weigh 10 oz or less, and any fire extinguisher that is shaped like a bomb will be prohibited.
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Old February 24, 2013, 12:16 PM   #37
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Another use of the Fire Extinguisher which I failed to mention, though I do not prefer it, is as smoke screen.

Smoke has, one study by the military reduces the effectiveness of aimed by as much a 90%. The reduction varies by the amount of the smoke and the ability of the shooter.
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Old February 24, 2013, 11:24 PM   #38
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With a door that swings inward, a $2 rubber door stop can be a lifesaver. I keep one in my suitcase for hotel doors too.

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Mentioned this to my Mom friday before I left for drill, she then produced one from the junk box that all teachers seem to have. Good deal.

Thanks again.
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