Need 44Mag help

blackhawk8 · February 10, 2013, 04:37 PM

Need load data for 44Mag...HP-38 powder...300GN SWC..anyone got any load data for this..Thanks

DASHZNT · February 10, 2013, 04:41 PM

I load my 300gr Hornady XTP with 16.3gr of 2400 and a CCI #350 LPM Primer and use Norma Brass. These babies go 1100fps and are deadly accurate. Enjoy.

DASHZNT

Sevens · February 10, 2013, 04:50 PM

You'll be using one of the fastest pistol powders on the market in a large bore, large case, high-pressure magnum round. It can be done, but you should know going in what you are getting with a load like this.

Using a FAST powder in something like .44 Mag gives you:
--less bullet velocity than you'd expect out of a .44 Magnum load
--ALL the same maximum pressure

You have much, much more risk of an unintended overload when using a fast powder in this round.

Yes, you can do it. The best use of a FAST powder in a round like this is when you wish to make a light load...one that doesn't run a "magnum" velocity and doesn't give the full, heavy recoil of a proper round.

If you have any hopes of making full-power .44 Magnum, you need to find a better powder for the job. If you attempt to run HP-38 hot in .44 Mag, you can blow up a handgun easily.

For published load data, look it up at Hodgdon's fine resource:
http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

NWPilgrim · February 10, 2013, 05:18 PM

An extremely accurate and mild target load for me is 7.0 gr W231 (same as HP38) in .44 mag with 240 gr LSWC.

In a 4" Redhawk I got 5-shot 1/2" groups at 25 yds from sand bag rest. Far more accurate than any other load I tried and better than I thought I could do.

blackhawk8 · February 10, 2013, 06:16 PM

Thanks everyone..loading this for my cousin who has a Henry Big Boy lever action rifle in 44mag. he had already bought the powder,bullets and brass and i am goin to load them for him. the bullets are hunter supply 300Gn swc.

GeauxTide · February 10, 2013, 07:06 PM

Like putting regular gas in a Corvette. You'll be getting 44 Special performance with that powder.

Cheap 870 · February 10, 2013, 09:25 PM

Can't find anything for 300gr. cast but hodgon's manual shows 8gr. at 918fps 26,100cup to 10gr. at 1149 37,300cup. Using a 300gr Hornady XTP

blackhawk8 · February 10, 2013, 09:45 PM

thanks Cheap...this bullet in LFN for lever action rifles..wonder if that 8Gn would b ok..

Rifleman1776 · February 11, 2013, 10:33 AM

I don't post loading data on forum.
But, I get my loading information from manuals and the manufacturers.
Manuals must not be printed anymore.

Cheap 870 · February 11, 2013, 11:28 AM

Then what is the purpose of having a reloading section on this forum?
To tell people to go buy manuals or post pictures of your reloading bench?

black mamba · February 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

Lead bullets give less pressure per load than jacketed bullets of the same weight do, so the max load for the XTP should be safe with a cast bullet of the same 300 grains weight. BUT ONLY IN THE SAME TEST GUN!

As with any reloading, begin with the starting (8 grain) load and work up slowly, looking for pressure signs, and also bore leading. If your bullet is not a gas-check design, you may only be able to go to moderate velocities without severe leading, depending on bullet to bore fit. Under no circumstance exceed the 10 grain max load.

In working up, whenever you find a load that is accurate enough for your needs or expectations, stop there. A few extra feet per second is pretty meaningless with a large, heavy slug like the 300 grain 44.

hdbiker · February 11, 2013, 02:49 PM

HP38 seems a little fast for .44 loads.I have used unique for light cast bullet loads,around 1000 f.p.s.,or Blue Dot for loads up to around 1200 f.p.s.For serious jacked bullets I like 2400 or 296.just my .02 worth.

spacecoast · February 11, 2013, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Can't find anything for 300gr. cast but hodgon's manual shows 8gr. at 918fps 26,100cup to 10gr. at 1149 37,300cup. Using a 300gr Hornady XTP

Hodgdon's web site shows a velocity range of 966 to 1149, same bullet. HP38 is fast, but not as fast as Titegroup, and I really like 8.0 grains of Titegroup under a 225 LSWC for a target load. You can shoot lighter bullets and save some money on lead.

oldpapps · February 11, 2013, 04:24 PM

blackhawk8,

Looks like you are between a rock and a hard place.

If I were you, I would suggest to you cousin a change of power or bullet. The provided powder and bullet just don't play well together.
I'm sure that a working load couldn't be had, but it is not going to be even close to being what I would want and expect from the round or rifle.

I load a powder-puff 240gr LSW using 231 (same as HP-38). My 6 and 8 year old grand daughters like to shoot it a pistol. But, you have 300gr bullets, I think they are jacketed.

H110/296 has what I view as a small window of charge for pressure. LitGun could be an alternative. 2400 would be my first choice with those 300s. But, you have HP-38 powder....

Sorry, but I don't think I have a resolution to your quandary.

Be safe,

OSOK

blackhawk8 · February 11, 2013, 09:13 PM

In my Lyman 48th ed manual 44 Remington Mag it has a 300gr(Linotype) bullet ..I see 2400 starting load 14.0..might try and find some 2400..

jj320 · February 11, 2013, 09:59 PM

look on beartooth bullets load swap they have a lot oh cast recipes load swap section shows 6 recipes 300gr . use n110/h4227/2400/h110/w296 rember to start about 10% less and work up

February 10, 2013, 04:37 PM	#1
blackhawk8 Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Posts: 90	Need 44Mag help Need load data for 44Mag...HP-38 powder...300GN SWC..anyone got any load data for this..Thanks

February 11, 2013, 02:49 PM	#12
hdbiker Member Join Date: December 19, 2012 Posts: 36	.44 loads HP38 seems a little fast for .44 loads.I have used unique for light cast bullet loads,around 1000 f.p.s.,or Blue Dot for loads up to around 1200 f.p.s.For serious jacked bullets I like 2400 or 296.just my .02 worth.

February 10, 2013, 04:41 PM	#2
DASHZNT Junior member Join Date: July 13, 2012 Posts: 179	I load my 300gr Hornady XTP with 16.3gr of 2400 and a CCI #350 LPM Primer and use Norma Brass. These babies go 1100fps and are deadly accurate. Enjoy. DASHZNT

February 10, 2013, 04:50 PM	#3
Sevens Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2007 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 6,862	You'll be using one of the fastest pistol powders on the market in a large bore, large case, high-pressure magnum round. It can be done, but you should know going in what you are getting with a load like this. Using a FAST powder in something like .44 Mag gives you: --less bullet velocity than you'd expect out of a .44 Magnum load --ALL the same maximum pressure You have much, much more risk of an unintended overload when using a fast powder in this round. Yes, you can do it. The best use of a FAST powder in a round like this is when you wish to make a light load...one that doesn't run a "magnum" velocity and doesn't give the full, heavy recoil of a proper round. If you have any hopes of making full-power .44 Magnum, you need to find a better powder for the job. If you attempt to run HP-38 hot in .44 Mag, you can blow up a handgun easily. For published load data, look it up at Hodgdon's fine resource: http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp __________________ *Attention Brass rats and other reloaders:* I really need .327 Federal Magnum brass, no lot size too small. Tell me what caliber you need and I'll see what I have to swap. PM me and we'll discuss.

February 10, 2013, 05:18 PM	#4
NWPilgrim Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,839	An extremely accurate and mild target load for me is 7.0 gr W231 (same as HP38) in .44 mag with 240 gr LSWC. In a 4" Redhawk I got 5-shot 1/2" groups at 25 yds from sand bag rest. Far more accurate than any other load I tried and better than I thought I could do.

February 10, 2013, 06:16 PM	#5
blackhawk8 Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Posts: 90	Thanks everyone..loading this for my cousin who has a Henry Big Boy lever action rifle in 44mag. he had already bought the powder,bullets and brass and i am goin to load them for him. the bullets are hunter supply 300Gn swc.

February 10, 2013, 07:06 PM	#6
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 2,922	Like putting regular gas in a Corvette. You'll be getting 44 Special performance with that powder.

February 10, 2013, 09:25 PM	#7
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	Can't find anything for 300gr. cast but hodgon's manual shows 8gr. at 918fps 26,100cup to 10gr. at 1149 37,300cup. Using a 300gr Hornady XTP

February 10, 2013, 09:45 PM	#8
blackhawk8 Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Posts: 90	thanks Cheap...this bullet in LFN for lever action rifles..wonder if that 8Gn would b ok..

February 11, 2013, 10:33 AM	#9
Rifleman1776 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,838	I don't post loading data on forum. But, I get my loading information from manuals and the manufacturers. Manuals must not be printed anymore.

February 11, 2013, 11:28 AM	#10
Cheap 870 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 159	Then what is the purpose of having a reloading section on this forum? To tell people to go buy manuals or post pictures of your reloading bench?

February 11, 2013, 12:53 PM	#11
black mamba Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2011 Location: O'Fallon, MO Posts: 479	Lead bullets give less pressure per load than jacketed bullets of the same weight do, so the max load for the XTP should be safe with a cast bullet of the same 300 grains weight. BUT ONLY IN THE SAME TEST GUN! As with any reloading, begin with the starting (8 grain) load and work up slowly, looking for pressure signs, and also bore leading. If your bullet is not a gas-check design, you may only be able to go to moderate velocities without severe leading, depending on bullet to bore fit. Under no circumstance exceed the 10 grain max load. In working up, whenever you find a load that is accurate enough for your needs or expectations, stop there. A few extra feet per second is pretty meaningless with a large, heavy slug like the 300 grain 44.

February 11, 2013, 04:24 PM	#14
oldpapps Senior Member Join Date: September 22, 2011 Location: Middle America Posts: 297	blackhawk8, Looks like you are between a rock and a hard place. If I were you, I would suggest to you cousin a change of power or bullet. The provided powder and bullet just don't play well together. I'm sure that a working load couldn't be had, but it is not going to be even close to being what I would want and expect from the round or rifle. I load a powder-puff 240gr LSW using 231 (same as HP-38). My 6 and 8 year old grand daughters like to shoot it a pistol. But, you have 300gr bullets, I think they are jacketed. H110/296 has what I view as a small window of charge for pressure. LitGun could be an alternative. 2400 would be my first choice with those 300s. But, you have HP-38 powder.... Sorry, but I don't think I have a resolution to your quandary. Be safe, OSOK

February 11, 2013, 09:13 PM	#15
blackhawk8 Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Posts: 90	In my Lyman 48th ed manual 44 Remington Mag it has a 300gr(Linotype) bullet ..I see 2400 starting load 14.0..might try and find some 2400..

February 11, 2013, 09:59 PM	#16
jj320 Member Join Date: January 7, 2013 Location: hobart,in Posts: 82	look on beartooth bullets load swap they have a lot oh cast recipes load swap section shows 6 recipes 300gr . use n110/h4227/2400/h110/w296 rember to start about 10% less and work up