Chris Kyle murdered

[BudW]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...hooting-lodge/

RIP

[Patriot86]

I just read about this, Chris Kyle was a great guy. His story is really amazing, all brought to an end by some scumbag. RIP

Everyone, pray for his wife and two Children.

[BarryLee]

Wow, that is terrible news. I read his book and saw him on TV a few times and he seemed like a decent guy. I kind of worried about our enemies trying to get revenge against some of these guys that have gone public, but man it is hard to believe he was killed by a friend.

“We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us.” ― Winston Churchill

[Atbat82]

I'm at a loss. He seemed like a truly remarkable guy and one to whom we all owe a huge debt. What a tragic and too-soon end for a true hero.

My thoughts and prayers are with his loved one.

RIP Chris. You've made this world a better and safer place. May your legacy and values live on.


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[4V50 Gary]

Horrible news. Life can be so fleeting.

[Closing The Gap]

Sad sad news. He was an inspiration to us all. R.I.P. Chris.

[Just Steve]

Found this:

World News excerpt: "ABC affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas reported that three sources said Kyle, author of the New York Times bestselling book, "American Sniper," and a neighbor of his were shot while helping a soldier who is recovering from post traumatic stress syndrome at a gun range in Glen Rose." The suspect was driving Kyle's truck when arrested. The suspect's name is Eddie Ray Routh, apparently a vet (marine). The name of the 2nd man murdered has been withheld but was a neighbor of Chris Kyle's and both were trying to help Routh..

[CharlieDeltaJuliet]

Just read the news this morning. It is a sad day..

[PetahW]

Sad, indeed.

[vito]

Was this the result of PTSD, or just a criminal out to steal a truck? Personally if I were trying to help someone dealing with a mental or emotional disorder I would not take them to a gun range. What a shame that this fine man, and patriot is gone.

[Brian Pfleuger]

Was the soldier he was trying to help the one that killed him? It reads that way but it's not clear.

[Double Naught Spy]

Double murder to obtain the truck seems a bit of a reach. Given that Kyle worked with disabled vets, my guess is that the truck was the ride to the range and that after the shooting, the Eddie Ray Routh used it to make his escape.

The second victim was Chad Littlefield. He too should not be overlooked.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/03...e-report-says/

This is bizarre...

Witnesses told sheriff's investigators that the gunman opened fire on the two men around 3:30 p.m., then fled in a pickup truck belonging to one of the victims. The sheriff's department didn't get a call until around 6 p.m.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02...#storylink=cpy

What was going on for 2.5 hours that witnesses to the shooting didn't summon help?

The shooting was a Rough Creek Lodge resort. It is a high dollar resort.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-dead/1887327/
http://www.roughcreek.com/shooting-sports/

[Armorer-at-Law]

Truly sad. Rest in peace, brother.

What was going on for 2.5 hours that witnesses to the shooting didn't summon help?

Keep in mind that (a) news accounts are often incorrect and (2) the word "witness" may be used in its broadest sense, as one who provides information. The speaker may not have been an eyewitness to the actual shooting. And then see (a) again.

[RamItOne]

From what I've seen/heard (fox news)he and the other victim were with the shooter at the range as a group, they took the troubled shooter out to help with his coping. Apparently the shooter shot them in their backs.

[lamarw]

It is a shame to have a true war hero taken way too early in his life possibly by one he was attempting to help.

It causes me to wonder if PTSD is or will become one of the criteria for a rejection to purchase a gun during a background check. It certainly is a mental issue suffered by many of our veterans. There is probably already a huge data base of those who suffer PTSD in VA Claims and files.

The killer in this case certainly should not of had access to a weapon.

[tobnpr]

RIP, a true American hero.

Not measured in terms of the enemy lives he took, but American lives saved through his overwatch.


My prayers are with him and his family.

And...depending on the outcome of this....and I'm guarding my words...perhaps the shooter as well.

If it was indeed a case of severe PTSD and the killer lost touch with reality, he will have to deal with what he did for the rest of his life. Who could live with taking the lives of two of your brothers in arms?

[copglock]

RIP Chris Kyle

[NWPilgrim]

Can someone familiar with PTSD explain how this happens? I just don't understand how somebody "snaps" in such a way to shoot two supposed friends in the back? I've known a lot of vets, some who got blown to smaller pieces by IEDs, so who barely survived terrible battles (RVN DMZ hill fights, Cambodia and Laos SOG, across DMZ LRRP raids) and not one of them had anything like violent episodes toward others. Some pretty messed up marriages and such but nothing like physical attacks on anyone let alone friends or friendly acquaintances.

I could see a blow up at a bar or something, but a quiet day on the range with a hero fellow vet? Is this sort of thing not unexpected with PTSD or is PTSD a red herring for criminal intent to murder?

[Double Naught Spy]

Can someone familiar with PTSD explain how this happens? I just don't understand how somebody "snaps" in such a way to shoot two supposed friends in the back?

PTSD may have nothing to do with it or may just be a longer term contributing factor. There may have been some sort of conflict, ongoing problems within the group. We don't know. Surprisingly, people turn and kill "friends" and family with some regularity without a lot of true notice that such might happen and do so without a contributing PTSD factor. So may have been in the military, may have been in combat, whilst others have not.

Without knowing the group dynamics and the relationship of the people involved leading up to and at the time of the event, it is hard to know what the cause of the shooting was.

[shootniron]

PTSD may have nothing to do with it or may just be a longer term contributing factor. There may have been some sort of conflict, ongoing problems within the group. We don't know. Surprisingly, people turn and kill "friends" and family with some regularity without a lot of true notice that such might happen and do so without a contributing PTSD factor.

I concur and this is a very plausible explanation for the events of yesterday...but then, it may not be...

[TXAZ]

I've lived with a relative for more than a decade who had PTSD and has recovered from it since. It was the result of a very nasty life or death incident. They have been very open about the issues, causes and remedies. Talking about the event, the trauma, and feelings are a key recovery mechanism. Holding it in is a road to hell for the person and those around them. Drug only therapies only putoff the inevitable hell. Flashbacks, rapid and prolonged anxiety and grief can all be manifests of PTSD with 0 warning.

"Flashbacks" are a big problem, they are a very rapid re-living of part or all of a very traumatic event. They are unpredictable with regard to intensity, timing, triggers or resulting actions by the person. They can be like a quick chill in a scary movie that lasts 5 seconds, or can cause a conscious or unconsious blackout that may last for hours or days, or may induce very high anxiety. I believe psychologist call this an "S2" response. In one instance my relative saw a book on a shelf, the name on it was the same as the last name of one of the persons involved in the traumatic event. The result was very high anxiety for a day, starting with the inability to speak and loss of peripheral vision.
On the flip side, we were at a movie and one of the scenes was a reminder. After about a minute of controlled breathing and counting they were fine.

With time and talking about it openly, the symptoms diminish to a manageable, then almost unnoticeable level.
If PSTD sufferers talk about the experience with people who care, the road to recovery is much easier. What we have seen over a decade is going from a tough flashback every few weeks to less than one mild anxiety attack annually, about the same as sneaking up on someone and saying BOO.

Finally, we have noticed that when our relative "charges PTSD head-on" (such as intentionally going to a movie related to their trauma), they may have a minor flashback during the movie but come out more in control every time.

I hope that helps. I apologise in advance if some of this is vague but I don't want to provide linkages to the person, personally identifiable information and the event that triggered the PTSD.

[4V50 Gary]

Here's something from Arfcom. Purportedly the family didn't want the killer released from the mental hospital.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/143..._related_.html

[Double Naught Spy]

From the Star Telegram, it was Routh's mother that asked Chris Kyle to help her son.

Jodi Leigh Routh, the suspect's mother, had reached out to Kyle to ask him to help her son, said Clint Burgess, a Tarrant County constable and Kyle's friend. Kyle did not know Eddie Routh, but knew his mother, Burgess said in an email from New Orleans.

"She was worried about her son and asked Chris if he could help him overcome PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder)," Burgess said.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02...#storylink=cpy

[wingman]

Drug only therapies only putoff the inevitable hell.

IMO, drugs are the root cause of many mass killings,far to many medical "experts" are quick to dispense pills and especially for young hyperactive boys perhaps with good intentions but end up harming far too many.

Take notice the media tends to ignore drugs and use firearms as the cause since firearms fit there agenda.

The military also has a high rate of suicide with little comment from media.

I hope Chris's family can find some peace in the fact he was a patriot always trying to do the right thing.

[s10ryan]

RIP brother