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Old February 10, 2013, 10:45 AM   #26
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I probably would have liked to think I would have stood up for the Communist.
Well, in the last 60 years, it's the communist that's been the problem.
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Old February 10, 2013, 02:59 PM   #27
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I too have little that would be affected by some of the proposed regulations, other than some over-ten-round magazines, but if we as gun owners and supporters of the 2nd amendment don't stick together we are likely to lose.
You have more than you know that would be affected by any of the proposed regulations: namely, your liberty. It's not just about the guns. Every gun related thing I own could be replaced with a single month's wages. It's the lost right and the lesson to government that they can get away with taking any other rights. That is the problem
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Old February 10, 2013, 03:04 PM   #28
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I don't believe in the black helicopters, or that there is some gigantic conspiracy to enslave us, or take away our guns, etc. but there are powerful forces and individuals who would like to obviate the 2nd Amendment to the degree that they can.
I can show you the pictures of the helicopters. The conspiracy to take our guns is real. Google the definition of conspiracy. As for enslaving us? Well, not like the plantation slaves. More like the industrial revolution slaves: workers living in squalor, indebted to the company store, and working for 80 hours a week.
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Old February 10, 2013, 05:37 PM   #29
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I probably would have liked to think I would have stood up for the Communist.
Well, in the last 60 years, it's the communist that's been the problem.
I don't disagree. And I didn't even say I would have stood up for them.

But you've got the have a reason to haul them away other than "they ain't one o' us." As I said, that simply moves your line of hypocrisy farther to one side rather than giving you the moral high ground.
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Old February 10, 2013, 05:51 PM   #30
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A gentleman on another website knows the gun collector who was raided. This is not his first problem with the BATFE.
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Old February 10, 2013, 05:52 PM   #31
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You have more than you know that would be affected by any of the proposed regulations: namely, your liberty. ... It's the lost right and the lesson to government that they can get away with taking any other rights. That is the problem.


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More like the industrial revolution slaves: workers living in squalor, indebted to the company store, and working for 80 hours a week.

I think the overriding object is move society from the Lockean model of government by the consent of the governed to the Hobbes model government by right, although Hobbes espoused divine right while the modern movement would reject the "divine" part. To this end the social contract must be changed from one where the society is free and open, with a few laws to forbid damaging actions into one where society is essentially crushed and everything is automatically forbidden. If you want to do anything you ask permission first, sort like the children's game "Mother May I" used to be played. Fail to ask first, get slapped back.

To the second quote, well you have to have some control mechanism. 50 years. The cynic says, "I'll be dead." The optimist says, "What about my grand-kids."

I vote we at least try to look out for the kids. My parents and grandparents did it for me. A society is mature when a man plants trees where he knows that he will never sit in the shade.
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