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Old January 28, 2013, 08:55 AM   #1
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making your own primers

i have a few copies of Whelen's "small arm design and ballistics" it is an expensive two volume set but it is terrific i highly recommend it
you can get it on amazon.
first volume has complete details of manufacturing of guns and ammo including primers. i will post a few pages on making primers once i figure out how to post pdf pages
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:12 AM   #2
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Might be a violation of this forums rules about posting copyrighted materials.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:14 AM   #3
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When was it written? Old enough might be public domain.
Regardless, making primers sounds like a very dangerous undertaking. Might be OK if you don't like your fingers and eyes.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:22 AM   #4
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got a message from the webmasters that i cannot post pages of books
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:24 AM   #5
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copyright is 1946

i am not sure but i think that the copyright goes for 75 years
i will check online
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:27 AM   #6
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:32 AM   #7
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There is a video on YouTube with a fellow using white tip matches to reconstitute primers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0jxpLH8FtY

Personally, if the world comes to that, I will just get out my bow.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:34 AM   #8
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i agree that making primers, or actually making the detonating compounds, is the most dangerous part of ammunition manufacturing.
I am assuming that anyone that decides to make primers on their own is because they can no longer buy them.
making small batches and robotic ( i am using the term loosely) handling of the compounds ought to prevent serious injuries.
Expect unexpected detonation though, statistically you would have some happen somewhat regularly
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:42 AM   #9
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i am going to post the primer manufacturing chapter on line and then provide a link here
would that be all right?
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:58 AM   #10
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cannot even do that, after researching this issue on the web, i came to the conclusion that i cannot post even one page legally.
if anyone wants it you can email me through this site and i will email you the pdf
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Old January 28, 2013, 10:09 AM   #11
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You can't share the actual content, but I'd be curious what materials go into a primer. I know my grandfather used to reload his primers ages ago... he never told me what's involved.

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Old January 28, 2013, 10:24 AM   #12
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potassium chlorate 53%
antimony sulphide 17%
lead sulpho-cyanide 25%
trinitrotoluol 5%
formula above is for
frankfurt arsenal mixture 70 ( corrosive)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centerfire_ammunition

non corrosive instead:
barium nitrate
nitroaminogunyltetracene
lead trinitroresorcinate
calcium silicide
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Old January 28, 2013, 11:09 AM   #13
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check this out
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Old January 28, 2013, 08:35 PM   #14
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Aldol

I can think of lots of destructive hobbies, bungie jumping, base jumping, snowboarding, cliff diving, etc... But making your own primers tops them all.

With the others persuits it only involves personal destruction. But by making primers at home you would be putting your family and your home at risk. That seems like the apex of irresponsability. Unless your trying to teach home grown terrorist on how to make high explosives.
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Old January 28, 2013, 09:36 PM   #15
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Eppie, there's enough info in high school and undergraduate chemistry textbooks to satisfy anybody's desire for loud noises.

Aside from whatever's online.
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Old January 28, 2013, 10:45 PM   #16
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Yes, anybody who wants to make things themselves are now homegrown terrorists.
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Old January 29, 2013, 12:45 AM   #17
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I think it would be much safer and effective to hoard 100,000 primers than to attempt to make them.
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Old January 29, 2013, 08:16 AM   #18
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And just where are you going to get 100,000 primers today? triker
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Old January 29, 2013, 11:54 AM   #19
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14 miles down the road at the gunshop I regularly trade with. As I said earlier in another post, I just dont see the shortage everyone is talking about. With the exception of .223 and 7.62 Commie ammo being gone; nothing has changed on the shelves where I buy. Having said that, a prepared person would have stocked up at the end of the first Obama primer scare when they again became available again after that fiasco.
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Old January 29, 2013, 10:04 PM   #20
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a prepared person would have stocked up at the end of the first Obama primer scare when they again became available again after that fiasco.
Or after the scare of 2005, or the scare of 1994/95.
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Old January 30, 2013, 03:46 PM   #21
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I think this is the worst I've seen it, the local sporting goods stores are cleaned out, I couldn't even find a powder funnel today.. If your not stocked up I feel this will be a long wait.. Pitiful!! William
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Old January 30, 2013, 04:28 PM   #22
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At times like these is good to have a back-up plan.

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Old January 30, 2013, 07:16 PM   #23
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today i found a lot of useful technical info on primers. But as i was reading three different books i do not remember which one had the real good set of fornulae.
2 books were free as they were over 95 years old.
when i get back tot he office i will look them up and post the info.
by the way one of them was detailing how to make non corrosive primers as used by the germans since 1907 and the swiss since 1911.
what i mean is that they actually show the chemistry and practical way to make mercury fulminate from nitric acid and mercury, how to make it non corrosive and stable. without using chlorates.
fascinating really. ( BTW i am a chemical engineer by training and profession)
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Old January 31, 2013, 08:07 AM   #24
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last time there was a primer shortage, I bought a flint lock rifle...

I don't have an over abundance... most of my cartridge cases sit empty, waiting components... I have a lot of primers on the shelf, but could empty the boxes, long before I got all my brass loaded, so I guess I only load what I need right now, & will buy when I can find them... have a life time supply of large rifle magnum, & probably a life time supply of small rifle... but cowboy action all summer long, can burn up alot of primers on large & small pistol, so even though I have several 1000 of each, I could burn those up fast loading 45 colt & 38 special

if things stay tight, I may have to shoot that flint lock for summer fun...
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Old February 2, 2013, 10:04 PM   #25
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Some years ago, folks in Siberia wanting cheap ammo for taking small game would mix cut off match tips, grind them up in a paste with water then pusn that paste into the rim of fired .22 rimfire cases. After it dried, a dose of black powder and a round ball pushed in took meat for the families to eat. They would get 3 or 4 more firings from a single case befofe it became too difficult to index easily at the firing pin's location.
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