Should have known better I guess? Re: 5.56 ammo order

WWWJD · February 6, 2013, 10:47 AM

I don't know if I should have just known better given the times or if I should be upset or just have a beer and go about my merry way.

I ordered some FAXM193BK from Natchez a while back. Based on this: "XM193 product is first run, first quality product manufactured at Lake City Army Ammunition Plant for the U.S. Government to NATO specifications.", I was expecting to get the Federal bulk pack stuff with Lake City brass.

What I got was Independence XM193I with FC headstamps. I suppose at this point I should be happy that I got anything. But I was hoping to get 500 pieces of the LC brass for my reloading endeavors out of this deal. This is my first real go-around with the AR platform and reloading for it. Been tearing up the .308 and getting some really good handloads; was time for a change of caliber.

Am I just being dumb?

Skadoosh · February 6, 2013, 10:59 AM

"Made in Israel" on the outer box?

WWWJD · February 6, 2013, 11:07 AM

It's at home in the safe. I'm pretending to work right now. I'll have a closer look at the packaging tonight.

~Mark

243winxb · February 6, 2013, 11:09 AM

Warning: For use in standard 5.56 mm chambers. Do not use in non-standard 5.56 chambers.

WWWJD · February 6, 2013, 09:13 PM

Made in Israel. So.....

Re: 243... it's a 5.56 chamber; no worries there.

higgite · February 6, 2013, 09:51 PM

Have you taken the matter up with Natchez?

Dan Newberry · February 6, 2013, 10:33 PM

If that stuff was made by IMI (in Israel) it's going to be well made ammo.

And if Federal simply had IMI headstamp their own brass "FC" (which is very possibly what has been done)...

...then you have some IMI cases, which in my opinion will make better brass than even Lake City.

I doubt that Federal made brass over here and shipped it over there for IMI to load.

So that's probably some pretty good brass. Could be a blessing in disguise.

Check this link... read on down the page, re IMI... http://ammo-oracle.razoreye.net/

Dan

WWWJD · February 7, 2013, 12:14 AM

Thanks Dan! It'll be good reading for sure.

~Mark

rajbcpa · February 7, 2013, 02:58 PM

...consider yourself lucky that you were able to buy any at all.... this stuff is very hard to find now....

I read that in Isreal, citizens are given a lifetime amount of ammo - 50 rounds!

medalguy · February 9, 2013, 12:34 AM

IMI is indeed excellent brass. I like to find that at the range!!

dwhite · February 9, 2013, 09:31 AM

I haven't seen ANYTHING the Israeli's make that could be called "poor quality".

As small a country as they are with their limited manufacturing facilities I'd bet if they're making and selling that ammo, they're using it too.

Especially when it comes to firearms.

All the Best,
D. White

hodaka · February 9, 2013, 10:07 AM

IMI is some of my favorite brass. I landed a bunch of .308 some years ago and it was very consistent in weight and lasts a long time.

WWWJD · February 10, 2013, 11:04 AM

Thanks guys.

~Mark

February 6, 2013, 10:47 AM	#1
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 451	Should have known better I guess? Re: 5.56 ammo order I don't know if I should have just known better given the times or if I should be upset or just have a beer and go about my merry way. I ordered some FAXM193BK from Natchez a while back. Based on this: "XM193 product is first run, first quality product manufactured at Lake City Army Ammunition Plant for the U.S. Government to NATO specifications.", I was expecting to get the Federal bulk pack stuff with Lake City brass. What I got was Independence XM193I with FC headstamps. I suppose at this point I should be happy that I got anything. But I was hoping to get 500 pieces of the LC brass for my reloading endeavors out of this deal. This is my first real go-around with the AR platform and reloading for it. Been tearing up the .308 and getting some really good handloads; was time for a change of caliber. Am I just being dumb? __________________ *~Mark* NRA fo Life Member

February 6, 2013, 10:59 AM	#2
Skadoosh Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,626	"Made in Israel" on the outer box? __________________ NRA Life Member (2003) USN Retired

February 6, 2013, 09:13 PM	#5
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 451	Skadoosh, you are correct. Made in Israel. So..... Re: 243... it's a 5.56 chamber; no worries there. __________________ *~Mark* NRA fo Life Member

February 6, 2013, 10:33 PM	#7
Dan Newberry Senior Member Join Date: October 3, 2012 Location: Wytheville, VA Posts: 179	If that stuff was made by IMI (in Israel) it's going to be well made ammo. And if Federal simply had IMI headstamp their own brass "FC" (which is very possibly what has been done)... ...then you have some IMI cases, which in my opinion will make better brass than even Lake City. I doubt that Federal made brass over here and shipped it over there for IMI to load. So that's probably some pretty good brass. Could be a blessing in disguise. Check this link... read on down the page, re IMI... http://ammo-oracle.razoreye.net/ Dan __________________ *www.BANGSTEEL.com* Practical Long Range Rifle Courses... Optimal Charge Weight handload consulting

February 9, 2013, 09:31 AM	#11
dwhite Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2007 Location: Wake County, N. Carolina Posts: 248	I haven't seen ANYTHING the Israeli's make that could be called "poor quality". As small a country as they are with their limited manufacturing facilities I'd bet if they're making and selling that ammo, they're using it too. Especially when it comes to firearms. All the Best, D. White __________________ 10th Amendment - The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

February 6, 2013, 11:07 AM	#3
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 451	It's at home in the safe. I'm pretending to work right now. I'll have a closer look at the packaging tonight. ~Mark

February 6, 2013, 11:09 AM	#4
243winxb Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2011 Posts: 598	Warning: For use in standard 5.56 mm chambers. Do not use in non-standard 5.56 chambers.

February 6, 2013, 09:51 PM	#6
higgite Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2010 Posts: 132	Have you taken the matter up with Natchez?

February 7, 2013, 12:14 AM	#8
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 451	Thanks Dan! It'll be good reading for sure. ~Mark

February 7, 2013, 02:58 PM	#9
rajbcpa Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2012 Posts: 297	...consider yourself lucky that you were able to buy any at all.... this stuff is very hard to find now.... I read that in Isreal, citizens are given a lifetime amount of ammo - 50 rounds!

February 9, 2013, 12:34 AM	#10
medalguy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 946	IMI is indeed excellent brass. I like to find that at the range!!

February 9, 2013, 10:07 AM	#12
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,509	IMI is some of my favorite brass. I landed a bunch of .308 some years ago and it was very consistent in weight and lasts a long time.

February 10, 2013, 11:04 AM	#13
WWWJD Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2011 Location: Central KY Posts: 451	Thanks guys. ~Mark