Savage 110 .338 Win Mag vs. .338 lapua mag

rantingrelentlessly · January 27, 2013, 09:47 PM

Ive made up my mind on the rifle. Savage 110. Narowed it down to the .338 WM or .338 Lapua mag. Give me your pros and cons of each. Thanks for the help.

shootniron · January 27, 2013, 09:49 PM

338 Lapua...if you are going to go bad...go bad.

I honestly know very little about either, I would just like to try the Lapua once to say that I have shot one. Good luck and enjoy whichever you get.

rantingrelentlessly · January 27, 2013, 09:52 PM

The rounds look really similar to me. Is the lapua performance really that much better?

shootniron · January 27, 2013, 09:53 PM

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The rounds look really similar to me. Is the lapua performance really that much better?

I am not really sure, but it sounds "badder"...

RamItOne · January 27, 2013, 10:08 PM

Are you trying to kill an elk at 1000 yards or punch paper

Elk- lapua

Paper - win mag
Edit- paper also consider .308

Lapua def has advantage on energy at long distance
Win mag- good overall ballistics, easier to find/cheaper allowing for more practice

I'm sure Kraig will have some good input

hooligan1 · January 27, 2013, 10:14 PM

The .338 lupua will kill paper and elk, but one needs to be one with that weapon,. If your a 75 lb computer geek with the affinity to be cool in "The Group" then it probably ain't going to work for you.
On the other hand if you knew anything about these weapons and actually purchased one then you wouldn't really care what we had to say right?

interlock · January 27, 2013, 10:14 PM

If it's for hunting, definitely the 338 Win Mag. I wouldn't want to carry that 16 lb. 110 BA around all day.

p.s. I missed the other two rifles by Savage in 338 Lapua. I'd still rather carry the win mags they offer if it is to hunt with

rantingrelentlessly · January 27, 2013, 10:16 PM

Im not a 75 lb computer geek, lol. Im a hunter and pleasure shooter. I have a .300 win mag and am very comfortable with its recoil.

RamItOne · January 27, 2013, 10:18 PM

Soooooo what are your plans for this rifle

rantingrelentlessly · January 27, 2013, 10:41 PM

My plans are to target shoot. See how far i can push the range and have something i can take to montana or somewhere and hunt large north american game. I want something i can use and have fun with and pass it down to my son someday. I dont want to just poke holes in paper from long range. I want to smash cinder blocks from long range.

RamItOne · January 27, 2013, 10:55 PM

Energy will be about double at 1000 yards.
300WM approx 1k ft/lb and 15xx fps 200gr from double tap (150 grain loads much lower energy, 600ish ft/lb)
338 lap approx 2k ft/lb and 17xxfps 300 gr Sierra match king

GeauxTide · January 27, 2013, 11:00 PM

The price of ammo or components for the Lapua will make you rant relentlessly. With 250gr bullets, you're entering another realm of recoil in either caliber. A 190-200gr bullet in the 300WM is stout for long range target or big game.

Eppie · January 28, 2013, 12:23 AM

Do you even have access to a 1,000 yard range?
They're far and few in between.

rantingrelentlessly · January 28, 2013, 08:14 AM

Yes I do. I live in the middle of a national forest. Clear stretches of 1000+ yards are not easy to find around here but abandoned railroad tracks are not. I have a nice flat straight section of well over 1000 yards. My own personal shooting range. I have been target shooting and sighting in rifles there for years. My local sherriff is well aware that I shoot there and has no issue with it.

Jim Watson · January 28, 2013, 10:29 AM

A .338 Win Mag has approximately the trajectory of a .30-06.
It does not confer much advantage to the target shooter. Less windage with the best high BC bullets, but that is about it. I don't think I have ever seen one at a Long Range match. (NRA definition of Long Range is 800+ yards, with very little beyond 1000.)

The .338 Lapua is big and fast, originally meant for looong range sniping.
I haven't seen one of those at a Long Range match, either. It is popular for the extremely long range specialty shoots, though.

If you are only shooting to 1000 yards, you can get adequate ballistics with less recoil from a heavy .300 or a big 7mm.

RC20 · January 28, 2013, 11:29 PM

As the question was which 338, I would stick with what was asked.

Unless cost is an object, then I would go with the 338 Lapua.

Limb Saver of the like will deal with the recoil.

No downside vs the 338 WM and the 338 WM can't do the things the Lapua can.

oryx · January 28, 2013, 11:59 PM

Why not look at the .338-378 weathrby mag as well?

big al hunter · January 29, 2013, 03:41 AM

Pro's for Lapua: faster (300 fps with 250 gr bullets) slightly better trajectory.
Con's more recoil, ammo is special order at most retailers.

Pro's for win mag: less recoil, less expensive =more shooting, ammo available most places.
con's: less velocity, but not much.

Elk can't read ballistics charts, so they probably don't care which one you get (they will be just as dead with either)

The difference in velocity translates to roughly 13 inches more drop at 500 yards for the win mag. The Lapua has 37 inches drop, the win mag has 50. You will be turning dials to hit at that range with either.

If you can afford the Lapua get it. Don't feel like you would be short changed by the win mag if that is what you can afford to shoot. There is not enough difference to matter until after 1000 yards. Then I say Lapua all the way!

Mezzanine · January 29, 2013, 07:09 AM

If you pass the Lapua onto your son give him a bunch of money with it so he can shoot it.

tobnpr · January 29, 2013, 11:04 AM

You already have a capable 1K + rifle, so screw the usual crap.

Difference between the .338WM and the .338 LM is about 300 fps with 250's...

The LM can push them to 3000 and better.

If you reload and have the coin, go wildcat. From what I've read, the .338 Edge will give you another 100 fps over the LM.

If you're just looking for an off-the-shelf pick, I'd go with the Lapua.

January 27, 2013, 09:47 PM	#1
rantingrelentlessly Member Join Date: February 17, 2011 Posts: 31	Savage 110 .338 Win Mag vs. .338 lapua mag Ive made up my mind on the rifle. Savage 110. Narowed it down to the .338 WM or .338 Lapua mag. Give me your pros and cons of each. Thanks for the help. Last edited by rantingrelentlessly; January 27, 2013 at 09:49 PM. Reason: spelling

January 27, 2013, 10:08 PM	#5
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 921	Are you trying to kill an elk at 1000 yards or punch paper Elk- lapua Paper - win mag Edit- paper also consider .308 Lapua def has advantage on energy at long distance Win mag- good overall ballistics, easier to find/cheaper allowing for more practice I'm sure Kraig will have some good input __________________ M&P- the other dark meat https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rtant/DJyvnHz0

January 27, 2013, 10:14 PM	#6
hooligan1 Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2010 Location: Independence Missouri Posts: 2,832	The .338 lupua will kill paper and elk, but one needs to be one with that weapon,. If your a 75 lb computer geek with the affinity to be cool in "The Group" then it probably ain't going to work for you. On the other hand if you knew anything about these weapons and actually purchased one then you wouldn't really care what we had to say right? __________________ Thanks for coming!

January 27, 2013, 10:18 PM	#9
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 921	^^^^^ Soooooo what are your plans for this rifle __________________ M&P- the other dark meat https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rtant/DJyvnHz0

January 27, 2013, 10:55 PM	#11
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 921	Energy will be about double at 1000 yards. 300WM approx 1k ft/lb and 15xx fps 200gr from double tap (150 grain loads much lower energy, 600ish ft/lb) 338 lap approx 2k ft/lb and 17xxfps 300 gr Sierra match king __________________ M&P- the other dark meat https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rtant/DJyvnHz0

January 27, 2013, 09:49 PM	#2
shootniron Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2011 Posts: 1,146	338 Lapua...if you are going to go bad...go bad. I honestly know very little about either, I would just like to try the Lapua once to say that I have shot one. Good luck and enjoy whichever you get.

January 27, 2013, 09:52 PM	#3
rantingrelentlessly Member Join Date: February 17, 2011 Posts: 31	The rounds look really similar to me. Is the lapua performance really that much better?

January 27, 2013, 10:14 PM	#7
interlock Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2012 Posts: 253	If it's for hunting, definitely the 338 Win Mag. I wouldn't want to carry that 16 lb. 110 BA around all day. p.s. I missed the other two rifles by Savage in 338 Lapua. I'd still rather carry the win mags they offer if it is to hunt with

January 27, 2013, 10:16 PM	#8
rantingrelentlessly Member Join Date: February 17, 2011 Posts: 31	Im not a 75 lb computer geek, lol. Im a hunter and pleasure shooter. I have a .300 win mag and am very comfortable with its recoil.

January 27, 2013, 10:41 PM	#10
rantingrelentlessly Member Join Date: February 17, 2011 Posts: 31	My plans are to target shoot. See how far i can push the range and have something i can take to montana or somewhere and hunt large north american game. I want something i can use and have fun with and pass it down to my son someday. I dont want to just poke holes in paper from long range. I want to smash cinder blocks from long range.

January 27, 2013, 11:00 PM	#12
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 2,922	The price of ammo or components for the Lapua will make you rant relentlessly. With 250gr bullets, you're entering another realm of recoil in either caliber. A 190-200gr bullet in the 300WM is stout for long range target or big game.

January 28, 2013, 12:23 AM	#13
Eppie Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 519	Do you even have access to a 1,000 yard range? They're far and few in between. __________________ Experience is a very bad teacher because it first gives you the test and then teaches you the lesson.

January 28, 2013, 08:14 AM	#14
rantingrelentlessly Member Join Date: February 17, 2011 Posts: 31	Yes I do. I live in the middle of a national forest. Clear stretches of 1000+ yards are not easy to find around here but abandoned railroad tracks are not. I have a nice flat straight section of well over 1000 yards. My own personal shooting range. I have been target shooting and sighting in rifles there for years. My local sherriff is well aware that I shoot there and has no issue with it.

January 28, 2013, 10:29 AM	#15
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 9,668	A .338 Win Mag has approximately the trajectory of a .30-06. It does not confer much advantage to the target shooter. Less windage with the best high BC bullets, but that is about it. I don't think I have ever seen one at a Long Range match. (NRA definition of Long Range is 800+ yards, with very little beyond 1000.) The .338 Lapua is big and fast, originally meant for looong range sniping. I haven't seen one of those at a Long Range match, either. It is popular for the extremely long range specialty shoots, though. If you are only shooting to 1000 yards, you can get adequate ballistics with less recoil from a heavy .300 or a big 7mm.

January 28, 2013, 11:29 PM	#16
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 1,422	As the question was which 338, I would stick with what was asked. Unless cost is an object, then I would go with the 338 Lapua. Limb Saver of the like will deal with the recoil. No downside vs the 338 WM and the 338 WM can't do the things the Lapua can.

January 28, 2013, 11:59 PM	#17
oryx Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2008 Posts: 111	Why not look at the .338-378 weathrby mag as well?

January 29, 2013, 03:41 AM	#18
big al hunter Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2011 Location: Washington state Posts: 612	Pro's for Lapua: faster (300 fps with 250 gr bullets) slightly better trajectory. Con's more recoil, ammo is special order at most retailers. Pro's for win mag: less recoil, less expensive =more shooting, ammo available most places. con's: less velocity, but not much. Elk can't read ballistics charts, so they probably don't care which one you get (they will be just as dead with either) The difference in velocity translates to roughly 13 inches more drop at 500 yards for the win mag. The Lapua has 37 inches drop, the win mag has 50. You will be turning dials to hit at that range with either. If you can afford the Lapua get it. Don't feel like you would be short changed by the win mag if that is what you can afford to shoot. There is not enough difference to matter until after 1000 yards. Then I say Lapua all the way! __________________ You can't fix stupid....however ignorance can be cured through education!

January 29, 2013, 07:09 AM	#19
Mezzanine Member Join Date: December 9, 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 77	If you pass the Lapua onto your son give him a bunch of money with it so he can shoot it.

January 29, 2013, 11:04 AM	#20
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 2,210	You already have a capable 1K + rifle, so screw the usual crap. Difference between the .338WM and the .338 LM is about 300 fps with 250's... The LM can push them to 3000 and better. If you reload and have the coin, go wildcat. From what I've read, the .338 Edge will give you another 100 fps over the LM. If you're just looking for an off-the-shelf pick, I'd go with the Lapua.