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Old January 26, 2013, 05:56 PM   #1
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My Cheapest 1911 may be my best 1911

I had been looking to add a 9mm to my tiny 1911 collection. For the last four months I've searched for a stainless 9mm 1911 single stack and I kept getting the "out of stock" response. I was focused on a Colt, SA, Kimber ot Para but none were to be found for a resonable price.

Than last week I saw a used stainless Taurus PT-1911 in 9mm (only two months old) my first response thought was: "What's wrong with it?"

The short version is, I bought it, fixed it, took it to the range and I now think that this is actually my best 1911. I know it sounds like heresy, but there it is.

It has a full guide rod (no tool required), ambidexterous safety, front strap checkering. And it shoots like a dream, and I haven't even polished anything on it yet.

Imagine my surprise, I thought I was making a big mistake for settling for second tier gun. An interesting addition to my Colt Gold Cup Trophy and SA Long Slide.



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Old January 26, 2013, 06:28 PM   #2
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Congratulations.

You know, much of our perception of quality is easily manipulated with pricing alone. It's easy to do, and very profitable. Many are the products that, while they may be made of quality materials, have nice fit and finish and have extraordinary packaging, don't work that well. I'm glad you found that there are exceptions out there!
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Old January 26, 2013, 08:43 PM   #3
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Taurus makes some decent products. I have a stainless PT92, it's beautifully made and is ultra reliable.
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Old January 26, 2013, 08:58 PM   #4
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Flybuddy,
I had a PT-92 (black) and it was a great shooter. Loved that pistol, but I'm old school and the Army drilled into me that a gun is not clean until you clean the firing pin and extractor.

Getting to the firing pin of the PT-92 was a nightmare. I did it once with the help of a gunsmithing video. After I put it back together I sold it. Sometimes I wish I'd kept it.

There is a lot of irony here because now it's the Army's side arm, although only the armorer's do the detailed cleaning.
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Old January 26, 2013, 10:26 PM   #5
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Love my Pt1911. Now whenever I see a 1911, I rack the slide to see if it's as smooth as mine. Most aren't. For $550-600 it's not just a great value, it's a great 1911.

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Old January 27, 2013, 06:07 AM   #6
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Ellie, thx...good info..been lucky so far as I've had a lot of rounds through it with no issues. I seriously can not remember it jamming even once. It's also spoiled me. I bought a Glock30 two weeks back, it's not as comfortable to shoot (grip) and it seems almost flimsy compared to the Taurus. I'm not sure why everyone is so gaga over Glocks.
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Old January 27, 2013, 09:36 AM   #7
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Congrats on your pistol. You say that you "bought it, fixed it,.....". What was wrong with it?
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Old January 27, 2013, 09:40 AM   #8
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The short version is, I bought it, fixed it,
What is the long version?
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Old January 27, 2013, 02:04 PM   #9
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The firing pin block was either a little rough or a tad too thick and had been jammed into the slide. When I tried to remove it wouldn't budge at all, so I had to resort to a hammer and screw driver to force it out. This is something that had have happenned at the factory.

It is a model 80, so it has a firing pin block, something that confuses most people new to the 1911 platform, and gets in the way of assembly and disassembly.

Once I got the firing pin block out I cleaned the firing pin, the extractor and their cavities. The firing pin block still wouldn't fit, so I layed it flat on a polishing stone and just moved back and forth, I kept trying it until it fit properly (without any pressure). It took several minutes, but hardly what I would call work. I'm sure I took less than 1/1000 of an inch off, but that was all it needed.
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Old January 27, 2013, 02:28 PM   #10
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Careful you don't want to start bad mouthing Glocks, they are superb guns. I understand if they don't feel right in your hand, that's a very personal preference.

Today most people think that a field strip is a normal cleaning. I was thaught that a field strip is something that you do while out in the field for a few days or weeks, but upon return home, were you had all your tools, then you would a detailed cleaning. Now, I believe gunsmiths are the ones that actually do most detailed cleaning.

After you've had to do (or paid someone) a detailed cleaning of your Taurus and then see how easy it is on a Glock, you may re-think your position.

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Old January 28, 2013, 07:34 AM   #11
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The firing pin block was either a little rough or a tad too thick and had been jammed into the slide. When I tried to remove it wouldn't budge at all, so I had to resort to a hammer and screw driver to force it out. This is something that had have happenned at the factory.
Not to rain on your parade...as I am sure your Taurus will be fine now that you fixed the problem, but this kind of poor and irratating QA/workmanship is why Taurus is fighting an uphill battle and gets a bad rap from many here on this and other forums.
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Old January 28, 2013, 08:13 AM   #12
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Skadoosh,
You're not raining on my parade. I understand the problem and agree whole heartely with you. But what some view as a problem others may view as an opportunity.

My gun may or may not be representative of a larger problem at Taurus. What I'm saying is, that if you have a little know how, excellent buys can be had. I'm sure the previous owner who lost a few hundreds of dollars on the trade has a totally different opinion of Taurus then I do.

I'm also not sure that the problem could be discovered by QA. Once assembled inspectors may test a pistol but I doubt they would disassemble it. And since most users don't do a detailed strip the problem wouldn't be discovered for some time. The guy that forced the part is the culprit.
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Old January 28, 2013, 10:37 AM   #13
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I'm also not sure that the problem could be discovered by QA. Once assembled inspectors may test a pistol but I doubt they would disassemble it. And since most users don't do a detailed strip the problem wouldn't be discovered for some time. The guy that forced the part is the culprit.
And that's the problem. Why is that guy still working there? He should be retrained or fired, because he's keeping the "Legend Alive" for Taurus (that is, poor craftsmanship and QA). I know many happy Taurus owners. You seem to be one. But I shouldn't have to do home gunsmithing on my brand new gun to make it fire. I won't own a Taurus, but I won't rag on anyone who's happy with theirs. Except for my buddy who irrationally defends Taurus, even though he's had to send back 4 guns in the last 2 years to remove factory defects (he owns like 8 or 9 Tauri...).

You're happy with your gun, and that's all that really matters. Unfortunately, it's stories like this that strengthen my resolve to never buy a Taurus.
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Old January 28, 2013, 11:21 AM   #14
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I have one in blue and all it does is keeps on shooting. Multiple range sessions without cleaning and it just keeps on shooting. last count 1,200 + rounds, dirty as all hell and just keeps on shooting.
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Old January 28, 2013, 11:27 AM   #15
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Gaerek

I totally understand your point, a newbie should probably stay away from Taurus. But your friend that keeps sending guns back to Taurus may be helping them improve QA. And if they improve, more competition helps us all.

I can only speak about the PT92 (I had one but sold it) and the PT1911. As a buyer, Taurus seems to be a pretty decent value.

I understand that some people dislike Taurus because of some issues, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. My PT1911, in my opinion, (after my fix) is a better pistol than my Colt or Springfield and they cost 50-100% more.

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Old January 28, 2013, 02:46 PM   #16
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Here's the thing for me. We don't get to see the manufacturing process. In general, many of us understand what our guns went through to get from raw materials to finished product, but we don't really know the practices of the different companies, their policies, or anything like that. The only glimpses we get are when we find issues like the one you described. One could say, "Oh, it's just an outlier, you just got unlucky." However, I just did a search for "PT1911 Stuck Firing Pin" and the top 5 results show your exact problem. Certainly not an outlier, and most certainly an issue with manufacturing and QA. Which gives us an idea of how important those issues are to Taurus.

I'm a researcher. When I decide I want something, I research the you know what out of it. I understand that in general, more people are vocal about negative experiences than of positive experiences. Taurus was one of those companies I looked into when I wanted to buy my first handgun. But the research I did showed so many cases of manufacturing defects, and QA issues. Taurus customer service generally gets high praises, but I'd rather have a gun that I don't need to contact customer service for.

If you're cool with doing some work to your gun to make it work for you, then more power to you. For me, I purchase guns because I want to shoot. There's no reason for a gun to have an issue like that out of the box. And if I ever bought a gun that had an issue, I'd return it, plain and simple. I'm not a newbie by any means, but an issue like that, that should have been discovered through a simple QA process indicates to me the possibility of more issues down the road. I'll pay the $200-300 premium for a gun from a company that I know won't have those same issues. Of course, you may look at me like I'm just wasting my money. Just different ways to look at the same situation.
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Old January 28, 2013, 03:53 PM   #17
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Someone needs to send this thread to Taurus Customer Service. May be me.

Well I tried, but there is no way to send them an e-mail and I was caller number 22 in the que, so I hung up.
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Old January 28, 2013, 04:20 PM   #18
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i have a pt1911 stainless 45. i bought it at sportsmans warehouse when they had one of those pop a balloon promotions that saved me $200. the gun was $599 minus the $200 brought it down to $399 and the best $399 i ever spent.the taurus is as reliable as my colt or SA 1911's and also more accurate. never a single problem. i'd like a nice pair of ivory grips and it will be perfect.
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Old January 28, 2013, 04:26 PM   #19
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I had a PT1911 that fed brass cased 230gr ball flawlessly, ran some steel case through it an it wasn't wild about that. It was very reliable with CMC mags and quite accurate, heck of a 1911 for $575 NIB
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Old January 28, 2013, 04:45 PM   #20
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Wow dale,
$400 for a new stainless 1911, that's not a bargain, its a steal. Good for you.
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Old January 28, 2013, 05:11 PM   #21
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I've owned 2 Taurus handguns, a PT92 and a Millennium Pro. The 92 is a superb weapon that has been faultless. The Pro had to go back to Taurus the first week i owned it as it couldn't shoot 3 rounds in a row without jamming. It came back 5 weeks later and had no further problems. My personal experience with only 2 guns doesn't mean much but IMO they make a good product.
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