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Old January 24, 2013, 01:53 PM   #1
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Feinstein's other list

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The bill excludes 2,258 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns by
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Has anybody seen the safe list?
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Old January 24, 2013, 03:11 PM   #2
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Tape Guns, Glue Guns, Heat Guns.... Cap Guns and battery operated "ray-guns" could be on the fence...
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Old January 24, 2013, 03:19 PM   #3
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Tape Guns, Glue Guns, Heat Guns.... Cap Guns and battery operated "ray-guns" could be on the fence...
These have been banned here in MA for years....
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Old January 24, 2013, 05:28 PM   #4
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In a State (MA) that bans water in plastic bottles,you can expect that anything with "gun" attached to it will be "banned". Is there a waiting period in MA before you can buy water in plastic bottles?
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Old January 24, 2013, 07:53 PM   #5
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Old January 24, 2013, 07:56 PM   #6
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Is there a waiting period in MA before you can buy water in plastic bottles?
Not if you have a license.... otherwise, 3 days.
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Old January 24, 2013, 07:57 PM   #7
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Sea Buck: MA bans water in plastic bottles? Really? Why?
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Old January 24, 2013, 08:07 PM   #8
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As far as I know, it's just one town within Massachusetts (Concord). The idea is that using plastic for single-serving water bottles is a waste of petrochemical resources, and is a big contributor to plastic in landfills.
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Old January 24, 2013, 08:28 PM   #9
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I found it humorous her lust includes a .22LR version of an AR but only one maker/model, the Highpoint carbine, etc and declares they are only suitable for military use. Look out Marines, Diane has your new Highpoint Assault Carbine picked out for you.

Her list reads like a ignorant person browsing forums picking up names. Some are specific models others are an entire make (Olympic Arms) and then those that can't possibly be classed as anything near an assault firearm.
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Old January 24, 2013, 08:52 PM   #10
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I found it humorous her lust includes a .22LR version of an AR but only one maker/model, the Highpoint carbine, etc and declares they are only suitable for military use.
More than half the guns on the list are not and never have been in use by any military in the world, ever.
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Old January 24, 2013, 09:33 PM   #11
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In a State (MA) that bans water in plastic bottles,you can expect that anything with "gun" attached to it will be "banned". Is there a waiting period in MA before you can buy water in plastic bottles?
I have lived in Massachusetts my whole life, plastic water bottles are not banned. I don't know where you got your info from. Also there is no waiting period for guns in MA so not sure where that came from either.
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Old January 24, 2013, 09:41 PM   #12
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Concord.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/04/...water-bottles/
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Old January 24, 2013, 11:05 PM   #13
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Water bottles ain't the topic, folks.

I'm guessing the "safe" list will be very specific. Example: Remington 760, .30-06; Remington 760, .270; and so on.

The idea of a "safe" list means newer guns can be forbidden because they're not on the list. Anyone who's dealt with California's "approved" list knows what I'm getting at, and it's a sneaky way to close the pool of available firearms in a few years.
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Old January 25, 2013, 10:09 AM   #14
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The idea of a "safe" list means newer guns can be forbidden because they're not on the list. Anyone who's dealt with California's "approved" list knows what I'm getting at, and it's a sneaky way to close the pool of available firearms in a few years.
We have a "safe" list here in MA. To get on the list, manufacturers must submit to a long and costly testing/certification process for each "sku" item they wish to sell in MA. Many chose not to sell their wares in MA as a result. We have a substantially reduced pool of available firearms as a result.
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Old January 25, 2013, 11:15 AM   #15
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Just reclassify your new ar15s as model 870? Just change the name to something on the approved list.
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Old January 25, 2013, 12:14 PM   #16
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The idea of a "safe" list means newer guns can be forbidden because they're not on the list. Anyone who's dealt with California's "approved" list knows what I'm getting at, and it's a sneaky way to close the pool of available firearms in a few years.
+1, and worse yet, IMHO this could effectively quash innovation in the semi-auto pistol market, because manufacturers would be afraid to introduce anything really innovative for fear that their R&D money would be wasted if the ATF were to deem it an "assault weapon".

IMHO this is a similar issue to the FAA certification standards for new aircraft, which have long been accused of being overbearing as it relates to small and simple 2-6 seat prop-powered general aviation airplanes. Many such models on the new aircraft market are fundamentally a modified version of a design with roots in the 1930s through the 1960s, because it's easier, cheaper, and more straightforward to certify a modification than to take chances with something all-new.
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Old January 25, 2013, 10:26 PM   #17
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I found this list right here. Looks really serious and all-encompassing:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...ned-guns-list/

Apparently she wants to ban the trade, manufacture, import and buying of these types of firearms :

Here is the list of 157 makes and models of banned guns:

RIFLES:

All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.

All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF.

All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

PISTOLS:

All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.

The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre.

All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5.

All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

SHOTGUNS:

Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12

All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

BELT-FED FIREARMS:

All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

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Old January 25, 2013, 10:50 PM   #18
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Safe list announced...

The text of the bill is up...and most of the guns on the safe list ARE NOT SEMI-AUTOMATIC!

The "safe list" includes SxS and O/U shotguns!

The list starts on Page 23 and ends on Page 118.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...f-69e69f517fb4
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Old January 25, 2013, 11:02 PM   #19
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The text of the bill is posted here.

She's deigned to let us keep our deer rifles. How very kind.

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Just reclassify your new ar15s as model 870? Just change the name to something on the approved list.
Considering that it bans "AR type rifles," I don't think that would be enough.
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Old January 25, 2013, 11:11 PM   #20
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All AR types, including the following:...Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1;... Beretta CX4 Storm;... PS90,... HK–PSG–1
There are others in the the list too, but those just really stood out...How the heck did all those become AR-type? That's really troublesome that if this were to become law there would then be precedent for just about anything being an "AR Type".
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Old January 25, 2013, 11:17 PM   #21
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Has a Barrett product of any kind ever been used in the commission of a crime?
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Old January 25, 2013, 11:23 PM   #22
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Has a Barrett product of any kind ever been used in the commission of a crime?
Sure plenty...in movies...

Something else that I just noticed...the FAL..wasnt that created and put into service a couple years before the AR-15/10? So shouldn't the list be all FAL types by her twisted logic?
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Old January 25, 2013, 11:26 PM   #23
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Okay, I may be missing it in the Bill, or it may be in a different one, but I was pursuing a more general interest forum a little while ago, and a poster there was happy because Curio and Relic firearms were to be barred from import.

Where is that to be found? Or is that just a really delusional anti-?
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Old January 26, 2013, 06:14 PM   #24
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Page 3 and 4

Looks like page 3 and page 4 cover way too much specifications. Even the Taurus Judge Revolver won't pass this:

"Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder."
This sets the precedent to take out revolvers.



‘‘A semiautomatic shotgun that has any 1 of the following:"
"A pistol grip." "A forward grip."
So shotguns are no longer allowed to be ergonomic? Grip-free shotguns anyone?

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Old January 27, 2013, 08:33 AM   #25
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It is all about appearance. Which is more "deadly", a 9mm from a Hi Point carbine, a 5.56 from an "assault rifle" or say a 30.06 or 450 NE? The whole AWB is about show. "We did something to curb gun violence." Seriously, though, the bad thing is this is just a small step in disarming the masses, serfs, slaves, or whatever you want to refer to the citizens as. What will be next?
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