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Old January 23, 2013, 03:32 PM   #1
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Nazi Ammo

I won an old Steyr and I want to eventually reload for it. A lot of available ammo is old Nazi marked. What makes the old ammo non-reloadable? Is it primer pocket is to small or is there another reason. Can old surplus ammo be modified to reload? I have found modern cases that are reloadable as well as data for the cartridge. I kinda like the idea of period origanal ammo
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Old January 23, 2013, 03:35 PM   #2
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no input, other than to give a "thumbs up" to your signature.
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Old January 23, 2013, 03:39 PM   #3
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Thanks. I wish I could claim credit. Dont remember where I found it. Might have been a t-shirt lol
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Old January 23, 2013, 03:45 PM   #4
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Some is reloadable, some isn't. Pull apart one round and inspect the inside of the brass for a single flash hole and see if there is any corrosion on the inside of the brass.

Nitrocellulose offgasses nitric acid, so old ammo can be a tad unsafe to fire. However, if the ammo is in good shape, I don't see why a Steyr M98 (I'm assuming it is an M98, please correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't handle the ammo just fine.

But, I recommend just getting some modern brass and loading your own. Leave the old nazi marked shells for the cartridge collectors.

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Old January 23, 2013, 03:52 PM   #5
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had a case of the nazi stuff I sold for a buddy a couple years ago... I'm not positive, but I think it was berdin primed ( 2 smaller flash holes )
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:01 PM   #6
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http://www.petealbrecht.com/mauser/m...htm#ammunition

the above site seems to have some interesting information/links that might help you answer your question via headstamp on the ammo itself.

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Old January 23, 2013, 04:13 PM   #7
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The main difference is in the primer types is both by size, & by how it is designed.

Neither is strictly non-reloadable, but one is way harder than the other making it less desirable from the reloaders standpoint.

"Reloadable" ammo uses Boxer primers. they have a single big hole in the center of the case's base, this is the flash hole. Because you need to remove the old, fired primer as part of the process this is really easy to do, you just poke a rod through the hole from inside & the primer pops out as the case goes up into the die to resize.

"Non-reloadable" cases use a different system, called "Berdan". The berdan has a solid center with 2 smaller holes off to the sides. because of this you can't just poke the old one out while resizing. You need a seperate "remove the primer step", independant of the actual reloading dies. There are several systems. A claw type that pierces & levers out the old primer. A liquid type where the case is filled with liquid & pressure snapped into the liquid to force the old one out.

Berdan & Boxer primers have other internal differences also, but they complicate things further by having differing dimensions so you have to actually find the less common primers as well.

Because of the added complications the Boxer type are more "standard" or "reloadable" just because of the convenience factor. If you can only find Berdan-primed brass it can be reloaded, but you're going to put up with a few extra steps in doing so.

Conversions have been done, but they are strictly for low pressure loads & frankly, are to my mind more trouble than they are worth unless you're shooting some really unimaginably rare ammo & don't mind shotgun pressure level reduced loads.
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:18 PM   #8
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my retired machinist buddy has reloaded alot of the berdan primed cases over the years... by drilling a center hole, & reaming the primer pocket to the closest Boxer primer... ( if I'm not remembering correctly, he may have had to thread in a bushing to fit the boxer primer ??? I hate it when the grey matter starts acting old )

( I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly, the berdan primers fall between the large & small boxer type )
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:32 PM   #9
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@Mag Wheel Man- This is what I was getting at. I dont have any shot berden primed stuff around to look at right now. I have the machine shop and I was thinking that the berden primer could be removed by drilling a center hole like a boxer has. The berden primer could be pushed out then the pocket could be bored to accept a modern primer. I am certain Im not the first to think of it. I was contemplating why its not done regularly? Primer dimensions are to far apart? Not enough brass to bore out? Etc....
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:40 PM   #10
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Another thought: IF this ammo clearly has Nazi markings, it might be worth more unfired and sold to collectors
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:45 PM   #11
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but personally I'd save the nazi marked stuff for the collectors...

is that 8mm Steyr ???

I'm not sure of the parent case, but I see case forming dies, so you should be able to form them from another case... just in case there is too much corrosion, or the cases are worth more as collector items...
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:45 PM   #12
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Another thought: IF this ammo clearly has Nazi markings, it might be worth more unfired and sold to collectors
Its all over sights like Gunbroker. I will definately but a few clips full just to have and no doubt shoot some.
If possible it would be nice to reload berden primed stuff. I also have a 9mm Largo with a few hundred rounds of surplus berden primed cartridges. I havent found reloadable brass for that yet.
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Old January 23, 2013, 04:51 PM   #13
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Nazi Ammo

It is nice/proper to have period ammunition with a weapon.

As for the 'Nazi Ammo'.

Several things to think about.

Is it going to be safe? This was eluded to above. The casings may have deteriorated over the many years. They were getting bombed day and night, so what was the productions standards? Much of their ammo was made is satellite countries. Finland made great quantities, much of it had steel core bullets.

Will it fire consistently? Open up a few and if they have brown rust for powder, the others can be polished up for display.

It it corrosive? I would say a resounding yes to that. Do you want to pepper your prize with salts?

Depending upon what you decide to do, how well or if the primers will still work must be determined.

With all of these things, you could end up with plinker loads.

Now to the thought of reloading the cases. I'll bet that they are berdan primed. Yes, you can re-prime them. I've never done it and probably never will try.

With all of this said.
Back in the early 70s, the SO went to 9MMs and we received, at a good price, surplus 9MM Finish rounds. I shot many thousands of them. The weapons were S&W Model 59s and I can/could break one down in seconds. I boiled barrels and springs in a pan of water on top of a rag (no heat transfer from the pan) to de-salt them. I have more bent/mashed rounds than ones that wouldn't go off.

It's up to you to shoot the Nazi Ammo. I don't think it would be worth the time or effort to reload berdan primed cases. Your call.

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Old January 23, 2013, 05:10 PM   #14
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@oldpaps- I may just grab a clip or 2 of the ammo to match the gun and consider it part of the display. I have found (a little pricey) plenty of modern boxer cartridges to shoot and harvest the brass. Your story uninspired me to try shooting 1930's cartridges.
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Old January 23, 2013, 05:50 PM   #15
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I aquired a quantity of the old nazi eagle ammo several years ago. This was great shooting fodder and all of it went bang.

Grafs sells PPU boxer primed ammo & brass. They also sell .330 diameter bullets. You can still find dies for 8x56R. Providing the buying panic has not affected this caliber.
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Old January 23, 2013, 06:44 PM   #16
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Its your ammo, but i dont think id shoot up ammo with nazi marks on it.
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Old January 23, 2013, 09:32 PM   #17
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The collector value of the ammo is more than the cost of new 8Mauser brass.
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Old January 24, 2013, 01:03 AM   #18
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My dad brought back a P38 from WWII. The magazine had 5 rounds it it. They were steel cased and berdin primed. I shot one. It fired just fine, but I do not consider berdin primed steel cases to be reloadable.
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