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Old February 15, 2013, 08:41 PM   #1
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Deal I couldn't pass up

Bought this little 1863 pocket remington today for $125!
Guy had bought it years ago and broke the loading lever with the wrong size balls and decided it was too much trouble to fool with and wanted some cash today more than he wanted to keep the gun...I couldn't pass it up so now I have a pocket pistol to add to my collection

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The guy said he had shot probably 15 to 20 shots from it before he broke the loading lever. Looking at the gun, you couldn't tell it had ever been fired...perfectly clean inside and out, cylinder indexes properly and the chambers line up right up with the barrel. The action is still a little stiff where it has not been worked much and the bluing factory perfect...except for my grubby fingerprints!

The loading lever is broke where the screw passes through, hard to see in this picture...but I'm gonna have to replace the loading lever with a new one
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Checked at vtigunparts and they are $50 each and out of stock for 6-10 weeks. But I want to shoot this little guy so I need to call on the experts with a couple of questions. First what size balls do I need for this gun so that I don't break the next loading lever? and second what powder charge should I start with?
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Old February 15, 2013, 08:45 PM   #2
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I would have jumped on it myself. Can that piece be welded?
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Old February 15, 2013, 10:01 PM   #3
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The break is right at the spot I circled, right at the thinnest part of the metal. I'm no welder but my brother in law is, I'll ask him if he can do anything with a part that small...hadn't thought about trying a weld job on it but hey it could save me 50 bucks! Thanks for the idea gary
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Old February 15, 2013, 10:18 PM   #4
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Tig weld would be my preferred choice of repair. Followed up with some file work and then some bluing.
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Old February 15, 2013, 10:23 PM   #5
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That sure is a purdy little pistol. Good buy on it!
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Old February 15, 2013, 10:28 PM   #6
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Nice little revolver! It should shoot .321 or .322 balls. If you can't find any, try #0 buckshot - it's .320, which is pretty close.

I don't know about a powder charge.
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Old February 15, 2013, 10:48 PM   #7
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That is cool..
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Old February 16, 2013, 05:44 AM   #8
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Hardcase and Gary + 1

.321 or 2 balls.

I'd have given 125.00 for it.

It is tempting to think that the easily available .315 would work.

But they are too small.
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Old February 16, 2013, 09:10 AM   #9
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I was at first thinking about the .315 balls at cabelas, good thing I didn't get in a hurry and order them.
I did find these .320 balls at dixie:
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product...bohniproe59ol3
Looks like TOW has a couple of options too:
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Catego...1/1/BALL-320-X
I'll check the local GS today and see if he just happens to have any .320-.322 balls or some #0 buckshot, if not I'll be ordering from somewhere soon.
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Old February 16, 2013, 10:16 AM   #10
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Great buy on that one!, let me know how it does and how it shoots. I'm really wanting to get one!
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Old February 16, 2013, 11:32 AM   #11
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Your BIL may not be the guy to weld that part but a good pistolsmith should be able to handle the job. Nice find!
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Old February 16, 2013, 12:03 PM   #12
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^ ^ ^ woodnbow,
I called my BIL this morning and he said that he can't do anything with a part that small, he was trained to weld big stuff like pipes. He said he probably wouldn't tear it up any worse but he wouldn't be able to fix it either. I know a local gunsmith I'll check with next week and see what he says about a cheap fix.

I've been thinking about a super simple set up like this:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435223

I'm thinking fill the chamber nearly to the rim with pyro p and seat the balls with that neat little setup and that should leave no air pockets as long as I fill the chamber so the balls set on the powder before cranking them home?

Thoughts?
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Old February 16, 2013, 12:12 PM   #13
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That is a nice little piece.
I would not have passed it up at that price either. As others have said it could be repaired by a competent smith but the cost may or may not equal the cost of a new lever. I think if the choice was mine I would want to have the original repaired. Keep us posted on your venture.
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Old February 16, 2013, 12:29 PM   #14
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Great price for a great little gun, those .31's are a hoot to shoot. I've got the Colt clone and it takes .320 balls and the buckshot is usually harder than pure lead so harder to ram. Give us a range report. Start close to the target as mine at least shoots about a foot high at 20'.
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Old February 16, 2013, 01:11 PM   #15
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I'd most likely build that little loader, I've got all the parts I'd need in my shop, I'll bet you do too... that way you can shoot while you're waiting for your smith to fix the loading lever properly! Win-win!!
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Old February 16, 2013, 02:53 PM   #16
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I'm definitely going to build a loader like smokin joes (thats about the coolest gizmo I've seen, and all I need is a trip to the hardware store for a proper sized washer). Next week I'll check into getting the original rammer fixed if it costs less than a new one. If that loading setup seats the balls properly (and it really looks like it would) I most likely won't be using the onboard rammer for anything but keeping the cylinder pin in place. Really is a win - win!

Now I just gotta get some lead on order and I'll be in business with this neat little monster. I couldn't be happier with the price for basically a new in the box gun! I looked up the pistol at taylors and they have it for $338!
http://www.taylorsfirearms.com/black...eel-frame.html
E.M.F - $295
http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/...ngton-c297.htm
Midway - $299.99 for a brass frame
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/190...-2-barrel-blue
I was in the right place at the right time, for a change
Definitely will post a range report after I get to run a few through this guy, I expect that these guns were meant to be used up close and personal so I'm curious to know where it puts lead at any distance past arms length.
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Old February 16, 2013, 09:02 PM   #17
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.322 round ball? I didn't see where Lee or Lyman makes a mold in that diameter?
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Old February 16, 2013, 09:34 PM   #18
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Looks like you got a good deal Logan. That is a neat little pistol. You should be able to get it up and running in no time.
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