January 23, 2013, 10:49 PM | #1 |
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Loads for Snub-nosed 38?
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Does anyone have any tried and true slightly-reduced loads for a snub-nosed 38? Specifically, a S&W model 36 of 1950s vintage? |
January 23, 2013, 11:22 PM | #2 |
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Honestly some of the best reduced loads out there are your 90% loads where you are supposed to start your load work-up. Very low pressure but no chance of a squib. In 38spl I shoot almost exclusively 158gr LSWCs, not for any reason more than thats the mold I use to cast my bullets. 3.6gr of Accurate #2 and 3.2gr of bullseye work well and are the very definition of soft shooting. Any fast pistol powder will work really. What bullets and powder do you plan on using?
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HBWCs
one of the light loads I shoot in my LCR is 148gr Meister HBWC with 3.3 grs of Titegroup. Clocks in with my chrony at 745. you can shoot these all day and great accuracy even in a snubby.
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I shoot tons of 38s out of my 642, using 150 grn LSWCs (Lyman mold 358477) and 4.5 grns of unique.
Shoot the same load in my Model 64 for target shooting, accurate and I never hit a steel plate that didn't fall.
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These older snubbies were sighted in for 158 grain bullets. I have shot tens of thousands of rounds of 158 LRN, LSWC, (did not make much of a difference) with 3.5 grains Bullseye in snubbies. This load is accurate, shoots to point of aim, is not +P so it is appropriate with older revolvers.
You can see the various revolvers I used over the years, the velocities with all the different primers and bullet shapes. Overall changing cases, bullet types, and primers did not make much of a difference. Code:
Colt Detective Special mfgr 1963 158 gr LRN 3.5 grs Bullseye thrown, CCI primers mixed cases 24-Jul-99 T = 100 F ! Average 751 fps Standard Deviation 32 fps Extreme Spread 90 fps High 805 Low 715 Recorded shots 22 158 LRN 3.5 grs Bullseye WSP Mixed cases 8-Jan-06 T = 52 F Ave Vel = 675.9 Std Dev = 18.6 ES 96.18 High 723.9 Low 627.7 N = 50 158 LSWC 3.5 grs Bullseye WSP Mixed cases 8-Jan-06 T = 58 F Ave Vel = 706.8 Std Dev = 15.55 ES 65.87 High 742.9 Low 677 N = 50 Colt Detective Special mfgr 1974 158gr LSWC 3.3 grs Bullseye CCI 500 primers, Dillon Loads 17-Oct-93 T = 65-70F Ave Vel = 682 fps Std Dev = 33 ES 96 High 733 Low 637 N = 6 Colt Cobra 2" barrel 30-Jan-05 T = 42 F 158 gr LRN 3.5 grs Bullseye thrown, Fed 100 primers mixed cases Average 696.6 Std Dev 20.49 Extreme Spread 72.93 High 745.5 Low 672.6 13 recorded shots Taurus M85 B2UL 2" Barrel 158 LSWC 3.5 grs Bullseye thrown, Mixed Brass WSP 11-Dec-04 T = 54 F Ave Vel = 686.3 Std Dev = 13.63 ES 58.48 High 718.8 Low 660.3 N = 30 shot little high and centered 158 LRN Master Factory Ammo 30-Dec-04 T = 56 F Ave Vel = 698.2 Std Dev = 20.56 ES 105.8 High 753.5 Low 647.6 N = 50 shot 6" high centered,until barrel leaded 158 LSWC 3.5 grs Bullseye Mixed brass Fed 100 30-Dec-04 T = 56 F Ave Vel = 706.2 Std Dev = 23.45 ES 81.94 High 748 Low 666.1 N = 48 S&W M638-3 Airweight Bodyguard 148 LWC Lead 2.7 grs Bullseye thrown Mixed Brass WSP 18-Mar-07 T = 52 °F Ave Vel = 611.6 Std Dev = 22.04 ES 75.92 High 648.1 Low 572.2 N = 25
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January 25, 2013, 04:32 PM | #7 |
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I tried Power Pistol powder with cast bullets in j-frames, and it leaded the daylights out of my barrels in just 5 - 10 shots.
I almost gave up on cast bullets for my j-frames, until I read somewhere about the classic 3.2 - 3.5 grains of Bullseye for a 158 grain LSWC. Boy, am I glad I didn't give up. It's perfect for target shooting. Little if any leading, enough recoil but not too much to make shooting painful. The lead bullets are relatively cheap, and it will take forever to work through a container of Bullseye at 3.5 grains per shot. |
January 25, 2013, 08:29 PM | #8 |
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For hotter loads in my Mod 36s and 60s I ran 11 gr 2400 under a Lyman 357446.
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