.17 Winchester Super Magnum rifles - Page 2

GunXpatriot · January 21, 2013, 11:35 PM

That's good info guys, thanks. And damn, that seems a little scary, to tell you the truth.

GunXpatriot · January 21, 2013, 11:40 PM

Btw, those Volquartsen TF rifles are beautiful! I guess worth the money if it's your thing.

Also, I'm assuming that problem doesn't exist in the .22WMR, as there are quite a few .22wmr semi-autos on the market... But do you think the problem could be present in a (hypothetical) .22WSM semi-auto, considering the pressures would be quite a bit higher than the .22 WMR?

Creek Henry · January 22, 2013, 01:14 AM

Since this round is based on the .27 nail gun rimfire, I'd like to see a .27! With the right bullet, this could be a thumper and a real boon to the lever action crowd.

sc928porsche · January 22, 2013, 06:42 AM

Sorry, but I cant see paying that kind of money for ammo that I cant reload.

tjh · January 22, 2013, 09:44 AM

a 5mm [ 20cal. ] would be great , more bullet weight and good velocity . a improved 5mm rem.

L_Killkenny · January 22, 2013, 10:35 AM

It's just dang near impossible to get range and thump outta a rimfire. There are times I need one, times I need the other and times I need both. Personally I have no interest in a 5mm version. It's just a comprise between the 2, not as good as the .17's or the .22's at either. Basically, I'm not willin to lose the trajectory we'll see in the .17 with out significant increase in thump. A 30gr 5mm just ain't gonna add much. Regardless they had better be pushing 35 (5mm) to 40(.224) grs. to get anywhere near the SD and BC a we need. Basically, light for caliber bullets sucks in any chambering. 30gr for 5mm is too light.

GunXpatriot · January 22, 2013, 08:34 PM

Creek Henry, a .27 sounds cool and all, but I have to agree with tjh on the .20. Going back to my airgun days (even though I still shoot them).

Some of you may have a a Sheridan Blue Streak, they started way back, WAY before my 17 years of existence... I believe they were the first to introduce a .20 caliber pellet.

.177 pellets, offers a better ballistic coefficient than .22 caliber pellets of equal weight. The problem is that .177 is affected by wind way too much, considering it's weight. A good compromise is making a slightly larger projectile, while having the heavier weight of the .22 caliber pellet. This means little wind drift and less forward wind resistance (best of both worlds of the .177 and .22) and a pellet that can move further than the .22 with very similar knockdown power. I probably didn't explain this too well, but most people probably know about this anyway, or at least people who have experience with the Blue Streak.

I think this same concept could be revolutionary in the rimfire world. In fact, I wish they would come out with the .17, .20, and .22, but that would be a pipe dream, I'm sure. Either way, the .17HMR and .22WMR both seem to have their own markets and most people who own one, don't own the other (as a general rule), so coming out with a larger caliber round, they would still have a pretty large market.

tjh · January 22, 2013, 10:10 PM

the old 5mm rem mag. with 36-38gr. bullet kicks the 22 mag's butt but Rem .screw the pooch in marketing it.

Wukalar · February 11, 2013, 04:58 PM

The 17 wsm sounds great but speed doesn't equate to punch. Winchester supreme 22 mag ammo is just below the 17 HMR as far as fps. The 34 grain hp has a lot of smack. If ya got a 22 mag laying around collecting dust. Try a box of these baby's and you just might find a new gun in your closet you didn't know you had. And you can"t argue about the price . Nope ya can't!

January 22, 2013, 06:42 AM	#29
sc928porsche Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2008 Location: now living in alabama Posts: 2,312	Sorry, but I cant see paying that kind of money for ammo that I cant reload. __________________ No such thing as a stupid question. What is stupid is not asking it.

January 22, 2013, 10:35 AM	#31
L_Killkenny Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,549	It's just dang near impossible to get range *and* thump outta a rimfire. There are times I need one, times I need the other and times I need both. Personally I have no interest in a 5mm version. It's just a comprise between the 2, not as good as the .17's or the .22's at either. Basically, I'm not willin to lose the trajectory we'll see in the .17 with out significant increase in thump. A 30gr 5mm just ain't gonna add much. Regardless they had better be pushing 35 (5mm) to 40(.224) grs. to get anywhere near the SD and BC a we need. Basically, light for caliber bullets sucks in any chambering. 30gr for 5mm is too light. Last edited by L_Killkenny; January 22, 2013 at 10:41 AM.

February 11, 2013, 04:58 PM	#34
Wukalar Junior Member Join Date: February 9, 2013 Posts: 1	17 wsm The 17 wsm sounds great but speed doesn't equate to punch. Winchester supreme 22 mag ammo is just below the 17 HMR as far as fps. The 34 grain hp has a lot of smack. If ya got a 22 mag laying around collecting dust. Try a box of these baby's and you just might find a new gun in your closet you didn't know you had. And you can"t argue about the price . Nope ya can't!

January 21, 2013, 11:35 PM	#26
GunXpatriot Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2011 Location: New York Posts: 204	That's good info guys, thanks. And damn, that seems a little scary, to tell you the truth.

January 21, 2013, 11:40 PM	#27
GunXpatriot Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2011 Location: New York Posts: 204	Btw, those Volquartsen TF rifles are beautiful! I guess worth the money if it's your thing. Also, I'm assuming that problem doesn't exist in the .22WMR, as there are quite a few .22wmr semi-autos on the market... But do you think the problem could be present in a (hypothetical) .22WSM semi-auto, considering the pressures would be quite a bit higher than the .22 WMR?

January 22, 2013, 01:14 AM	#28
Creek Henry Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 225	Since this round is based on the .27 nail gun rimfire, I'd like to see a .27! With the right bullet, this could be a thumper and a real boon to the lever action crowd.

January 22, 2013, 09:44 AM	#30
tjh Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2009 Location: North Central Ohio Posts: 155	a 5mm [ 20cal. ] would be great , more bullet weight and good velocity . a improved 5mm rem.

January 22, 2013, 08:34 PM	#32
GunXpatriot Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2011 Location: New York Posts: 204	Creek Henry, a .27 sounds cool and all, but I have to agree with tjh on the .20. Going back to my airgun days (even though I still shoot them). Some of you may have a a Sheridan Blue Streak, they started way back, WAY before my 17 years of existence... I believe they were the first to introduce a .20 caliber pellet. .177 pellets, offers a better ballistic coefficient than .22 caliber pellets of equal weight. The problem is that .177 is affected by wind way too much, considering it's weight. A good compromise is making a slightly larger projectile, while having the heavier weight of the .22 caliber pellet. This means little wind drift and less forward wind resistance (best of both worlds of the .177 and .22) and a pellet that can move further than the .22 with very similar knockdown power. I probably didn't explain this too well, but most people probably know about this anyway, or at least people who have experience with the Blue Streak. I think this same concept could be revolutionary in the rimfire world. In fact, I wish they would come out with the .17, .20, and .22, but that would be a pipe dream, I'm sure. Either way, the .17HMR and .22WMR both seem to have their own markets and most people who own one, don't own the other (as a general rule), so coming out with a larger caliber round, they would still have a pretty large market.

January 22, 2013, 10:10 PM	#33
tjh Senior Member Join Date: September 25, 2009 Location: North Central Ohio Posts: 155	the old 5mm rem mag. with 36-38gr. bullet kicks the 22 mag's butt but Rem .screw the pooch in marketing it.