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Old January 20, 2013, 10:52 PM   #1
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Reasons to own an assault rifle and 30 round mags

Despite the anti-gun people's rant about there is no reason or need to own a 30 round mag or an assault rifle "that is a weapon of war" I would like to balance those thoughts with truth. I would be interested in other ideas besides the ones I list here.

Reasons to own an assault rifle and 30 plus round magazines;

1. Our founding fathers wanted us to have the most current and modern rifles so we could prevent tyrants from taking over our government. They did not say we were limited to bows and arrows for a reason. At the time the muzzle loaders were the most modern arms but as they believed, free man should not be limited when it placed their lives and the life of the country at risk. It is bad enough we are not trusted with full auto weapons like the Swiss are. Those are true assault rifles!

2. We should never become like Mexico where citizens are slaughtered because they are keep unarmed and helpless. The cartels are not limited to 10 round mags and the cartels would have a rough time if the people of Mexico were armed and had the mindset not to be victims.

3. One day terrorists will attack this country. Muslim extremists once owned and controlled the world (see Otterman Empire) and those same extremists still dream of those days coming back. Americans think in terms of decades but the Muslim extremists think in terms of centuries. They are growing stronger and will show themselves here one day. Do we really want to disarm our citizens? Only the most short sighted politicans do not see this and judging by who is in Congress and the Senate there are way too many short sighted, self-serving politicans there. Terrorists and cartels are the same in they only care about themselves and their way of thinking which is basically , might makes right. They only understand what comes out of the muzzle of a gun, nothing else.

4.We are free men and should not treated as children or slaves. We should not be held responsible for the mis-deeds of a few "nut-jobs" even as terrible as they might be.

5. Too bad there were no armed and trained individuals when those "nut-jobs" attacked innocent people though I am sure if that were the case the press (the third estate, second to the king) would bury it on page 9. It is the press and stupidity that got obuma elected.

6. Any family with the history of being a slave, native American or any Jewish person (who else am I leaving out?) should remember the lessons of history. First thing hilter did was outlaw the right of any person , except nazis, from owning weapons. Think of how different it would have been if the Jews keep just one gun hidden and used it rather then be a total victim. Think of how it would have been if the British were able to take all of the muskets away from Americans, we would still be paying half of our income to the king, which is what we are doing now. Think how it may be one day if we have to pay 70 to 80 % of our income to pay for obuma's follies. I guess we were also lucky the British did not limit us to just 10 rounds because they thought that was "enough".

7. Criminals will always be able to get weapons, drugs, etc because they associate with people who can get items that have been outlawed. I believe there are over 1,000 different gangs in this country. Here in Arizona I was camping out with my wife when next to us the Dirty Dozen started to camp next to us. We did not stay the whole night and for most of the day I always wondered if they left us alone because they saw the HK91 leaning again my Jeep tire or they did not think my attractive wife was attractive.

8. I always feel a little more comfortable when hiking in the back country and running into a herd of wild pigs knowing I have a little more than 10 rounds in that HK91.

What other reasons do you all think is a reason NOT to be limited to a 10 round magazine or an assault rifle?
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Old January 20, 2013, 11:08 PM   #2
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I ask that you don't take this personally. I agree completely with your right to own whatever but some of your reasoning is... interesting.

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1. It is bad enough we are not trusted with full auto weapons like the Swiss are.
Sort of. Those rifles all belong to the government. All the full auto ones.

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3. One day terrorists will attack this country. Muslim extremists once owned and controlled the world (see Ottoman Empire) and those same extremists still dream of those days coming back. Americans think in terms of decades but the Muslim extremists think in terms of centuries. They are growing stronger and will show themselves here one day. Do we really want to disarm our citizens? Only the most short sighted politicians do not see this and judging by who is in Congress and the Senate there are way too many short sighted, self-serving politicians there. Terrorists and cartels are the same in they only care about themselves and their way of thinking which is basically , might makes right. They only understand what comes out of the muzzle of a gun, nothing else.
There are a lot of factual issues with this paragraph. That and painting with a broad brush to the point of bigotry. This country has been attacked by terrorists many times. Including lots of American Christian Terrorist.

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5. Too bad there were no armed and trained individuals when those "nut-jobs" attacked innocent people though I am sure if that were the case the press (the third estate, second to the king) would bury it on page 9. It is the press and stupidity that got Obama elected.
I am thinking if 26 people, mostly kids were murdered in a school that would not get buried.
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6. Any family with the history of being a slave, native American or any Jewish person (who else am I leaving out?) should remember the lessons of history. First thing Hitler did was outlaw the right of any person , except Nazis, from owning weapons. Think of how different it would have been if the Jews keep just one gun hidden and used it rather then be a total victim. Think of how it would have been if the British were able to take all of the muskets away from Americans, we would still be paying half of our income to the king, which is what we are doing now. Think how it may be one day if we have to pay 70 to 80 % of our income to pay for Obama's follies. I guess we were also lucky the British did not limit us to just 10 rounds because they thought that was "enough".
There are a lot of factual problems with this paragraph too. I find the 10 round comment amusing because there were no ten shot magazines back then and the fact that the British enacted a series of gun control measures that helped set off the Revolution.

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We did not stay the whole night and for most of the day I always wondered if they left us alone because they saw the HK91 leaning again my Jeep tire or they did not think my attractive wife was attractive.
Only you can judge that.

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8. I always feel a little more comfortable when hiking in the back country and running into a herd of wild pigs knowing I have a little more than 10 rounds in that HK91.
I don't know if you ever been pig hunting but I think you are confused about it at the very least.

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What other reasons do you all think is a reason NOT to be limited to a 10 round magazine or an assault rifle?
Because I want to. That is actually enough in a free country.
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Old January 20, 2013, 11:28 PM   #3
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"skeeter". I'm with you!
"Alabama Shooter", to quote you, "don't take this personal.... but some of your your reasoning is interesting".

I think I shall take the mantle of purest when it comes to my constutional rights, no compromise is possible if the goal is to limit/erode my rights granted/guaranteed by the Constitution. Hold the line!
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Old January 20, 2013, 11:32 PM   #4
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Hold the line is an all well and good sentiment, but I look at the fight to maintain our right in a more proactive stance.

As in, not to hold the line, but push it back. Smite the gun grabbers from the ballot box.
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Old January 21, 2013, 03:13 AM   #5
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We should not get trapped into arguing why we should have them, rather we should argue there is no reason why the govt should restrict citizens from owning whatever mags they want.

1. Bans do not prevent crime. If a person plans to do a mass shooting at a school or theater do you really think they care about gun restrictions? Explosives are illegal yet they manufacture their own explosive devices in some instances. Many of the shooters are under age for owning firearms yet those laws did not prevent them from acquiring them. Even if a ban is enacted, it would be impossible to get rid of all the existing mags, so criminals or mass murders will still have access tot hem while law-abiding citizens would be at a disadvantage.

2. It is not the government's place to define what accessories to legal arms are "acceptable" or not. The Supreme Court has upheld that standard infantry arms are the measure of acceptability according to the 2A. Magazines, pistol grips, bayonets, colors should not be even on the table for discussion about restrictions.

3. The real goal of gun grabbers, as stated by themselves numerous times, is not magazine restrictions or "assault weapon" bans, it is the total elimination of all firearms. So let's not even entertain one item on their shopping list because they know full well each item is ineffective to prevent crimes and is merely a step to boil the frog slowly. Since we know their intent is to make all firearms, and probably all arms as in Britain, illegal then there is no logical reason to cooperate or compromise with them one iota.
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Old January 21, 2013, 08:20 AM   #6
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