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Old January 15, 2013, 07:53 PM   #1
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Rock Island Armory R1 10mm 1911!!!

Found this earlier today on Cheaper Than Dirt

Apparently they are selling guns again, haha.



8 rounds, $599...not bad!
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Old January 15, 2013, 09:58 PM   #2
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Review for your viewing pleasure:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...6#post19700206
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Old January 15, 2013, 10:05 PM   #3
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I know this will spark some outrage but.....


I wish it had a rail
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Old January 15, 2013, 10:17 PM   #4
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I wish it had a rail
It does, a continuous one; which may turn out to be a problem.

Colt cut out the rail section above the slide stop lever, to alleviate frame cracking problems that were occuring on the very first Delta Elites. Looking at photos of the RIA it does not have the cut out.
"Some of the very first Delta Elites had a tendency to suffer flex-induced slide rail stress cracks. This was quickly addressed by removing the section of the rail above the slide-stop cutout."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Delta_Elite

I know, I know, different rail and yes I am not a fan of that type of rails on 1911s; YMMV! And I do reserve the right to change my mind, now and again... as the mood strikes and what not...
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Old January 16, 2013, 08:40 AM   #5
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RIA is really on a roll today with some of their product offerings (I'm really tempted to pick up a .45ACP Tactical one day).

But they MUST get rid of that terrible slide billboard, or at least hire some 1st-year graphic design student off the street to design them a better-looking logo.

Cruddy Microsoft Office font + all caps + underlined words + 3rd grade drawing = barf.
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Old January 16, 2013, 08:47 AM   #6
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That's a great price for a 1911 in 10mm. I'd like to see someone torture test the thing with mag dumps of hot 10mm and see how it holds up. Yes, I'm serious and if it can handle it, I might be in for one.

Also, what rail - I don't see any kind of rail on this gun, am I missing something? I don't want or need a rail, but just wondering what above discussion is about.
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Old January 16, 2013, 11:10 AM   #7
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Also, what rail - I don't see any kind of rail on this gun, am I missing something? I don't want or need a rail, but just wondering what above discussion is about.
The rails on the frame that the slide rides on.

The Colt Delta Elite has a cut-out in these rails above the slide stop pin where early examples had problems with frame cracking. This new RAI 10mm pistol does not; the slide rails are continous above the slide stop.
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Old January 16, 2013, 11:42 AM   #8
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I bought one of these when they first came out. Here is a review I wrote up for another website....


I got mine from my FFL on Saturday night (the 23rd) and have now gotten to shoot it two times, putting ~225 rounds through it. First thing i noticed was man they absolutely drenched this in oil. It cam with just the gun and the silly warning "stop" tag in a plastic bag. The gun had so much oil on it the stop tag was drenched in oil and there was a small pool at the bottom of the plastic bag. Obviously this meant you couldnt really handle it without creating a big mess. But i got it home and cleaned it all up and finally got to look at it closely. Not a big deal on the oil just a heads up for anyone who thinks they would buy it and shoot it right away or something like that.

This is my first 1911 and i do prefer slimmer guns so keep that in mind! Also im not the best with technical terms so yup

Ammo shot was 200 rounds of BVAC JHP 180gr and 25 Cor Bon 150gr self defense ammo.

Let me start with the Positives
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-It shoots great. Fits my hand great and its groupings are much better than my glock 20. I was getting good groups (2-3") at ~15 feet. And at the ranges max of ~40 feet i was getting all shots in the 8" circle of my targets. Mind you that was the first time really shooting out that far (not that it is that far) and that was without any rests. Also only the second time ive gotten to take it out.

-The trigger is nice in my mind. There is maybe 1/4" of travel on the trigger before it engages. Once its "engaged" its maybe 1/8th of an inch till it fires. My rcbs trigger pull gauge puts it right around 5lbs (it would go from 4.5-5 with most being closer to 5) This is vs the glock 20 gen 3 which has probably 1/2" of travel before engaging and then a good 1/4" before actually firing. The trigger pull is crisp and smooth on the RIA and its become one of my favorite triggers!

-The weight is just right in my mind. Fully loaded it doesnt feel super heavy or awkward. Sort of a sweet spot. It is heavier (unloaded) than a glock 20 but it metal vs polymer so not a fair comparison either. I find it to be well weighted.

-Overall performance. I only had two minor issues and both were 100% my fault. Had the magazines fallout twice because i didnt push them in all the way. Other than that in 225 rounds i didnt have a single FTE, FTF, or any other issue that kept the gun from firing. Simply put it just worked and was accurate too!

And now for the Cons-

-I will say the RIA has a weak spring in it. I was shooting lower powered 10mm factory ammo and could tell. The slide would come back faster and harder than the glock (stock spring). But that is an easy fix and definitely one i will be doing in the near future. The brass from the RIA was flying everywhere....not the the glock doesnt but the RIA was a bit worse (which i attest to the spring). Other posts online have determined these ship with a 16# main spring which is low for a 10mm, but standard for a 45acp? (either way underpowered for a 10mm)

-Copper fouling. Mine isnt as bad as some pictures ive seen on the 1911forum. But here is mine after 200 rounds. Mine isnt bad and the picture isnt the best but you can see it a bit. Really the picture doesnt show it hardly at all but it is there. That is after a "normal" cleaning so ill have to get copper solvent remover. Still none of my other guns which have shot way more rounds between cleanings have had anything close to that. Not the end of the world and it still shots fine but Ill be watching some threads over at 1911forum and seeing what results those guys get with Armcor/other options


-The finish on the gun is also another disappointment to me. I treat it no different than any of my other guns (sig p226, FNP-45 tactical, glock 20) and it has gotten scratched up. Not super bad but enough that upon close inspection you can see scratches all over. Doesnt bother me but still a bit annoying on how poor the finish is at protecting the gun. Also noticed this odd marking on the slide and not sure when it showed up haha. (weird squiggly thing behind the barrel). Also looking in general at the RIA 1911's (in all offerings not just 10mm) the finish does seem to wear a bit quick.
. As for the scratches I know its from the type of finish used just bummed at how crappy it is at protecting the gun.

-The last thing is with Armscor/RIA itself. Their paperwork that comes with the gun just makes it seem like they werent prepared to release this and rushed it a bit. The fired cases they provide on the caliber markings they just lined out 9mm and wrote 10mm. not a big deal using up that stock before getting new ones. The biggest issue is the owners manual. It doesnt even mention a 10mm! It mentions they offer 9mm, 40SW, 45acp, and 38spl. But not 10mm. Also for disassemble the instructions are for the wrong gun. It talks about a front bushing and that method for dissembling the 1911. However this has the one piece guide rod (like STI 1911's from what i can tell). So the directions were wrong and there also was no tool for putting in the guide rod hole. Thankfully the internet exists and i was able to figure it out. But still disappointing to include paperwork when it doesnt even apply to your gun nor mention it.



*I dont consider this a pro/con as its such personal preference but I dont care for the grips. I find them to aggressive and rough. I prefer smoother grips like that found on the Sig P226 or my SW 629 44mag. Again that is just a personal preference.



So overall am i glad i got this? Yes. It is much more enjoyable to shoot over my glock 20, and it is already one of my favorite guns even with the minor problems ive encountered. The copper fouling is something i will have to follow and see what Armscor/RIA does about it.

Would i recommend it? Based solely on my experiences yes i would. Based on other reports you can find on 1911forum, i would say wait. It will be a great gun once they hammer out the problems. The first run of guns seems to be the ones having the most problems so I feel like they were just rushed to get them out in time, probably under contract, for cheaperthandirt.

Now to go find new grips and a heavier weight spring!





Bit old now and I still javent called armscor (doing that tonight) but based on mine and others on 1911forum I'd wait a little bit before buying one.

The marks on slide are most likely from a extractor. Simple fix I'm told but shouldn't have to fix a brand new gun either.
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Old January 16, 2013, 12:22 PM   #9
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Install an EGW flat firing pin stop and a Wollf 20 lb recoil spring.
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Old January 16, 2013, 01:37 PM   #10
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these ship with a 16# main spring which is low for a 10mm, but standard for a 45acp? (either way underpowered for a 10mm)
If this is true, coupled with a continuous rail, I would be concerned about icebergs ahead!

Colt uses a double recoil spring set up on the Delta Elite. I have also played with 23 and 24 lbs Wolff recoil spring set ups; which involves using a different guide rod than originally equipped with the DE. I eventually went back to the original stock configuration, as I over time really didn't see a measurable improvement using a single spring over the factory dual.

But what do I know, maybe by having an underpowered recoil spring with no slide stop rail cut out they are redirecting the frame cracking vectors in some wonderful manner that also reduces muzzle flip and recoil... and as a side benefit also increases your mpg whenever driving to the range with the 10mm RIA in your range bag!
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Old January 16, 2013, 03:13 PM   #11
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It does, a continuous one; which may turn out to be a problem.
I should have been more specific... I meant a 1913 accessory rail on the dustcover.

But to your point---the lack of a cutout may indeed be a problem. I suppose time will tell.
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Old January 16, 2013, 04:44 PM   #12
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noticed this odd marking on the slide and not sure when it showed up haha. (weird squiggly thing behind the barrel).
That's just from the ejected brass "kissing" the slide as it's flung out. I have several pistols that get marks like these (usually ones with matte or bead-blasted finishes on the slide, such as my Walther P99 or Colt XSE).

A little Hoppes #9 and a good scrub with a stiff nylon-bristled brush will take those marks right off.
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Old January 16, 2013, 11:14 PM   #13
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Was on the Armscor website last night and the 10mm model isn't listed. So maybe they did rush it out the door.
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Old January 17, 2013, 02:41 AM   #14
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I meant a 1913 accessory rail on the dustcover.
On a 1911?

Can we split the difference and call it a 1912?

I know what you meant... just couldn't resist...
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:01 AM   #15
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OK

A new 10mm pistol. That's great. But mine would have to lose that plastic front sight.

Anybody know about sight options on this model?
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:23 AM   #16
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I would think a 1911 front site would work. I will call my 45 guy and ask him.
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Old January 17, 2013, 06:25 AM   #17
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I've heard some grumblings about the recoil spring and magazine springs, as well as copper barrel fouling.

While 600 bucks for a 10mm Glock is decent, I'd probably skip the RIA and get a DW. It's more, but a much better gun.

For anyone who hasn't ever handled an Armscor 1911, they look really shabby in person, and I think the 10mm still has some kinks to work out. That and it's being sold by Cheaper than Dirt (who haven't been that 2A friendly).

...bamaranger, non-GI Armscor sights are Novak cut 1911. So any should work without machining.
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Old January 17, 2013, 07:30 AM   #18
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Unfortunately, I just checked, and Cheaper than Dirt is out of stock.
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Old January 17, 2013, 09:30 AM   #19
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On a 1911?

Can we split the difference and call it a 1912?

I know what you meant... just couldn't resist...
If it shoots like a 1911 we can call it a 011010010 for all I care

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