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Old January 15, 2013, 09:57 PM   #176
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I just waiting for teh class action law suit for the NY constitution Article 1 Section 7 (US 5A) for the payment for the siezure of private property. NY will be screaming to the US Congress to bail them out.
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Old January 15, 2013, 09:58 PM   #177
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wellp this gives context to the statement " new york is a good city to visit but i wouldnt wanna live there"
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Old January 15, 2013, 10:14 PM   #178
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I didn't read all 6 pages of posts but I have some very serious issues with this new law. I actually sat down and read as much of the 40 pages as I could without throwing up tonight and I'm absolutely disgusted.

So here we go in no particular order:

1) This bill was passed in secrecy, it became a bill yesterday and today it was signed by the Governor allowing the people it would affect the most no time to read let alone weigh in on it.

2) It passed with virtually no opposition 43-18 in the state Senate and 104-43 in the Assembly. It takes months to get anything done in Albany how is it possible that they managed to get this bill passed into law in 2 days with such a landslide vote?

3) The new law makes background checks for ammunition purchases mandatory, so if I run low on .35 Rem ammo during deer season I now have to submit to a background check to purchase.

4) Records of ammunition purchases will be kept in a state police database for a year. Welcome to Nazi Germany.

5) My NYS pistol permit which says good until revoked will now have a 5 year shelf life and must be renewed. As I'm sure most of you know NY is a may issue state and not a shall issue state. Does this mean that my permit may be renewed and not shall be renewed?

6) Theft or loss of ammunition must now be reported within 24 hours of the discovery.

7) "Assault Weapons" (I hate that term) grandfathered in must be registered with the state police.

8) Magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds manufactured before 1994 must be disposed of. So these previously allowed magazine that were allowed under the previous ban are now verboten and must be sold outside of NY state. This item which is so inherently dangerous that it's not allowed in NYS must now be dumped on other states????

9) IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO KNOWINGLY POSSESS AN AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT SUCH PERSON LAWFULLY POSSESSED BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS SECTION, THAT HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT MORE THAN SEVEN BUT LESS THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION, WHERE SUCH DEVICE CONTAINS MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION.
This looks to me that it's ok to won the magazine but not ok to load it with more than 7 rounds. So I guess the 2 1970 10/22 magazine I have are ok as long as I don't put more than 7 rounds in them, this is just plain stupid.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg of what was rammed down our collective throats today. I'm still numb over this, once I start getting the feeling back in my body I guess I'll have to start looking for property in a free state. I may go out and join Kraigwy in Wyoming at least they're not selling out gun owners.

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Old January 15, 2013, 10:17 PM   #179
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Even worse if you are thinking about tooling up to make 7 round mags.... who knows how long this will last before it is changed again?
Exactly! Who's to say after the next mass shooting [...and you know there will be another one, 'cause banning 'em don't work] these guys won't say the new magic number is FIVE?!

Kinda makes me wonder when the 2AM visit/searches from the agencies will start.
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Old January 15, 2013, 10:26 PM   #180
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The republicans run the state senate and stuck it to every NY gun owner. Not a penny ever again.

They want us to register legally owned long arms but don't worry, they would never pass a law in the dark of night with no discussion outlawing them. I mean they did it about the magazines they used insisting we throw them out but they would never do that for the guns and then use the registrations to collect them...
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Old January 15, 2013, 10:27 PM   #181
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Drummer 101 said "Does this affect police forces or are they not affected by these laws?"

A good question. Governor Cuomo said that no one needs 10 rounds to kill. So the police don't need 17 rounds to kill. If no one needs 10 rounds to kill, then the police should be restricted to 7 rounds as well.

I'm seriously concerned about this legislation because it affects my S&W 41 22 target pistol that I use for target shooting at my range every week. And what about my S&W 10 shot 617 revolver? Guess that is exempt.
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Old January 15, 2013, 10:30 PM   #182
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Two serious problems with the new laws.

1. Criminals will ignore the laws as always so they will now have the upper hand on citizens. and

2. The new law is likely to prevent those who should be seeking mental health services from doing so which is likely to increase the incidence of the type of violence that the legislation was designed to reduce.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...erapy/1836323/
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Old January 15, 2013, 11:43 PM   #183
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Incremental lowering of magazine capacity will continue until these clowns reach their ultimate goal: ZERO. They have an insatiable uncompromising agenda from which we cannot back down, ever.
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Old January 15, 2013, 11:50 PM   #184
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People sometimes tend to be a product of their environment. Propaganda works, always has, always will on a segment of the population. People are affected by what they see. Why else are the millions spent on visual effects in entertainment? Why are their advertisements that seem stupid to some yet millions are spent on them? How else did a loser get re-elected? It is not a loss of freedom to remove the manipulation of the mind by cleaning up the entertainment industry. It is a return to a normalcy of time gone past. Sorry if morality is not in some list of ideals of freedom, but decadence has always destroyed civilizations. Study the history of civilizations and see what traits were present as they unwound themselves. If we need to moderate our stimulated needs for the young, then it should be done in a healthy way.

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Old January 16, 2013, 12:01 AM   #185
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Senator Greg Ball said something very well today.

I urge YOU ALL to watch it. Just under 2:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2rRSUEaLKvA
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Old January 16, 2013, 05:39 AM   #186
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My state Senator's comments on the legislation. http://medford-ny.patch.com/articles...un-legislation

He, Senator Zeldin, opposed it hit could not vote as he was on mandatory Army Reserve training in VA.

38 other senators were not present for a vote held with 20 minutes notice, no debate and at night.
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Old January 16, 2013, 06:04 AM   #187
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Senator Ball was 100% correct. Thanks for the link Dr Big Bird.
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Old January 16, 2013, 06:32 AM   #188
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Well every year we go upstate and visit family and this past summer almost every yard had an Obama sign. I cannot believe these people keep voting in these idiots and then complain when things turn south. Now they are fighting Fracking even though it has been proven beyond a doubt to be safe and will reduce our dependence on foreign oil & gas (guess they like $4-5.00 gas/diesel prices too). Not a problem though when you are getting subsidized for fuel and electricity from the state, food stamps, section 8 housing, rent control, free medical & health care & I could go on and on. Sorry for the rand but after 73 years it just pi$$es me off to see the country go down in flames Navy vet, ret state police
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Old January 16, 2013, 06:39 AM   #189
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38 other senators were not present for a vote held with 20 minutes notice, no debate and at night.
That's what's an honest to God loophole.
A system that has the ability to ram through whatever it wants if the conditions are right isn't what makes a good strong goverment.
Sooner or later, someone is going to manage to exploit one of these "loopholes" with a piece of garbage legislation that brings the whole house down.
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Old January 16, 2013, 07:11 AM   #190
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And what about my S&W 10 shot 617 revolver? Guess that is exempt.
Anyone else have any info on this? I read most of the law yesterday and didn't see revolvers addressed anywhere. Just magazines.

I have the same concern.
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Old January 16, 2013, 07:12 AM   #191
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Maybe enough people will leave NY and other socialist states that it will take a few of their congressmen away and transfer those spots to other states.
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Old January 16, 2013, 07:15 AM   #192
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Maybe enough people will leave NY and other socialist states that it will take a few of their congressmen away and transfer those spots to other states.
Better that the fine citizens of New York choose to stay...and summarily vote the treasonous bums out of office.
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Old January 16, 2013, 07:31 AM   #193
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Unfortunately elections have consequences and the gun law just passed in NY (and soon across the rest of the NE) proves it. I wonder how many on this forum (from NY) voted for the present mayor, governor, (even president), and the state senators and congressmen, who voted to enact this abomination of people's right to defend themselves. Looking from the outside in I'm not sure the courts will be your salvation. E.G. the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to uphold Obamacare. The truth of the matter is the courts will uphold if they agree fundamentally with the law. They may throw out a few minor points of the law as a token to the masses but don't bet on it. The answer is at the ballot box at the ground level when the parties are selecting candidates to run for office. If you truly want change that is where you have to change it. That is where you need to ask the tough questions on things like the 2nd Amendment, state's rights, the role of the judiciary, etc. I feel for you folks in NY, you have a tough road ahead. Where I live we have some of the same problems but not to the depth and extent of your state. Liberalism is a social disease that will literally take generations to root out given its level of entrenchment in our schools and political system. I hope I live to see the day when we actually start putting liberalism on the run instead of just defending ourselves from it.
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Old January 16, 2013, 07:46 AM   #194
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Unfortunately elections have consequences and the gun law just passed in NY (and soon across the rest of the NE) proves it. I wonder how many on this forum (from NY) voted for the present mayor, governor, (even president), and the state senators and congressmen, who voted to enact this abomination of people's right to defend themselves. Looking from the outside in I'm not sure the courts will be your salvation. E.G. the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to uphold Obamacare. The truth of the matter is the courts will uphold if they agree fundamentally with the law. They may throw out a few minor points of the law as a token to the masses but don't bet on it. The answer is at the ballot box at the ground level when the parties are selecting candidates to run for office. If you truly want change that is where you have to change it. That is where you need to ask the tough questions on things like the 2nd Amendment, state's rights, the role of the judiciary, etc. I feel for you folks in NY, you have a tough road ahead. Where I live we have some of the same problems but not to the depth and extent of your state. Liberalism is a social disease that will literally take generations to root out given its level of entrenchment in our schools and political system. I hope I live to see the day when we actually start putting liberalism on the run instead of just defending ourselves from it.
This is the bottom line here folks. Don't whine and complain and become an activist AFTER your rights are stripped away... Take action BEFORE!

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Old January 16, 2013, 07:53 AM   #195
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Or the fine citizens of New York choose to stay...and summarily vote the treasonous bums out of office.
Not going to happen here. We have passed the tipping point and the morons here would vote for nice weather if they thought the minority of us working could pay to make it happen.
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Old January 16, 2013, 08:01 AM   #196
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Not good for gun owners. The ironic think is in the uk there is no mag restriction. I have 19 round mags for my CZ and and can buy high capacity mags if i want.
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Old January 16, 2013, 08:53 AM   #197
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The ironic think is in the uk there is no mag restriction. I have 19 round mags for my CZ and and can buy high capacity mags if i want.
Aren't the gun laws in Northern Ireland very different, and less restrictive than the gun laws in the rest of the UK?
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Old January 16, 2013, 09:01 AM   #198
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What will this do to the already drained coffers of NYS when they see a dismal "Non-Resident Hunting Licenses" rate of sale for the 2013 hunting season???

I know there has to be many Americans who will fearfully, and rightfully so, avoid the state they love to hunt in...

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Old January 16, 2013, 09:01 AM   #199
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I was born (1951) and raised in NY state.

It was a nice place to grow up.

At around age 18 I became politically aware.

After my military service ended (1974 ) I began to notice a
downward trend.

Short story - after my kids left home I moved (2005) to PA.

Life is good here.

God help those of you I left behind................

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Old January 16, 2013, 09:14 AM   #200
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"Also, considering only NY has this ban"

It would be wishful thinking that only NY will enact this ban and it will go no further. Let's see what Obama comes out with shortly. I'd bet it either mimmicks the NY laws or tries to go even further. Gun companies have to compete for buyers. Would they take one of their time honored best sellers and let its sales drop to zero just because they will not design a new lower capacity magazine? I believe we will see some newer 7 round magazines on the market or the companies might as well fold up.
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