The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Conference Center > Law and Civil Rights

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 22, 2013, 04:39 PM   #1
gilfo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 29, 2008
Posts: 269
Second Reply from Fla Sen. Nelson

Dear Mr. Nelson,
Thank you for response. While I agree that the tragedy in Newtown was horrendous I do not think a ban would resolve the issues leading up to and including this tragedy. Therefore I regret to inform you that I will NOT be voting for you in your next re-election bid as I have done in the past. It is clear to me that you are not in step with what the Second Amendment was intended to be. I will work tirelessly to do whatever I can to make sure you are not re-elected for another term when the time comes. You are not a friend of the Constitution therefore not a friend to me.
Sincerely



Got this as a reply from Nelson. Could somebody help me with what is trying to say. I don't know if he means that we should not have military type weapons or not.
Please let me know what your thoughts are on this reply.


Thank you for contacting me about protecting Second Amendment rights.

I grew up on a ranch in the Florida countryside and have been a hunter since I was a boy. I support a person's constitutional right to bear arms.

In 2008, the Supreme Court of the United States affirmed that the Second Amendment protects a person's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to military service, and to use that firearm for traditional lawful purposes like self-defense within the home. This is the law of the land.

I appreciate hearing your views on this subject. Hearing from you helps me to better serve you in the Senate.

Sincerely,
Bill Nelson
gilfo is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 04:43 PM   #2
Glenn E. Meyer
Staff
 
Join Date: November 17, 2000
Posts: 15,528
Typical dodge on the issues. I'm a hunter is the defensive mantra. So assault rifle and mag bans are ok?

Yes, you can defend your house with a six shot revolver and a double barreled shotgun pretty well from the modal burglar.

There's more to it and his answer allows the bans of the evil guns.
__________________
NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc.
http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...05_Feature.htm
Being an Academic Shooter
http://www.teddytactical.com/archive...11_Feature.htm
Being an Active Shooter
Glenn E. Meyer is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 04:46 PM   #3
Xfire68
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 31, 2010
Location: Communist State of IL.
Posts: 1,394
Sounds to me like he did not put much thought into that reply.

Made little to no sense and what the heck does "traditional lawful purposes like self-defense within the home." mean?
__________________
NRA Life Member, SAF Member

www.bandmbrass.com Veteran owned Business.
Xfire68 is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 05:20 PM   #4
BGutzman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 4, 2009
Location: Frozen Tundra
Posts: 2,414
Bravo -Gilfo
__________________
Molon Labe
BGutzman is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 05:32 PM   #5
Wyoredman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 6, 2011
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 1,234
Dear {Wyoredman}:

I believe we need to keep guns out of the hands of bad people, but there has to be that balance between protecting our citizens and our constitutional rights. We must define the problem before we propose an answer. People owning guns and shooting guns is not the problem. The problem is violence and its cause. We need to continue to seek solutions, but we shouldn’t let fear drive us down the road of giving up more and more of our most important and basic freedoms.

While President Obama cannot pass a bill without Congress, I have serious concerns about the executive orders issued and will continue to address this Administration’s disregard for the principles upon which our government was founded. If the President is serious about addressing gun violence his suggested actions need to be drafted into legislative language, considered in committee and debated on the floor with amendments. This is a matter that concerns Constitutional rights so I’m concerned about proposals which could circumvent the legislative process.

I have one of the best voting records protecting our Second Amendment rights. I believe we need to find out which of the current gun laws are working to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, and then make sure that those laws are enforced. While specific legislation has not been introduced, I will keep your thoughts and concerns in mind.

Sincerely,


Michael B. Enzi

United States Senator
___________________________________

This is the reply I received from one of my Senators today. I hope most other Senators have a like mind, but I feel that may not be the case.
__________________
Go Pokes!
Go Rams!
Wyoredman is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 05:48 PM   #6
Woody55
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 19, 2012
Location: East Texas
Posts: 407
It's quite possible no one read your email, and this is a standard response.

Or someone may have skimmed your email and determined it was either pro or anti ban and sent one of two pre-drafted responses.

At most, they are keeping score.
Woody55 is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 05:50 PM   #7
tyme
Staff
 
Join Date: October 13, 2001
Posts: 3,152
Quote:
Originally Posted by gilfo
1. Thank you for contacting me about protecting Second Amendment rights.

2. I grew up on a ranch in the Florida countryside and have been a hunter since I was a boy. I support a person's constitutional right to bear arms.

3. In 2008, the Supreme Court of the United States affirmed that the Second Amendment protects a person's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to military service, and to use that firearm for traditional lawful purposes like self-defense within the home. This is the law of the land.

4. I appreciate hearing your views on this subject. Hearing from you helps me to better serve you in the Senate.
1. Oh great, another 2A fanatic I have to respond to. (BTW, this is a staffer, not "me".)

2. I remember my roots, and I touch guns sometimes. Also, I've read the Bill of Rights at least once, enough to parrot it.

3. I can't be honest about what I want to do because the Supreme Court has said that I'm wrong.

4. Messages from people like you let me pretend to be paying attention to my constituents, but really, unless you donate to my campaign, I don't care what you think.
__________________
“The egg hatched...” “...the egg hatched... and a hundred baby spiders came out...”
“Who are you?” “A friend. I'm here to prevent you from making a mistake.” “You have no idea what I'm doing here, friend.” “In specific terms, no, but I swore an oath to protect the world...”
“It's a goal you won't understand until later. Your job is to make sure he doesn't achieve the goal.”
tyme is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 05:51 PM   #8
wayneinFL
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 18, 2004
Posts: 1,934
Yeah it's the same response I received.
wayneinFL is offline  
Old January 22, 2013, 07:51 PM   #9
gilfo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 29, 2008
Posts: 269
My reply to his reply

Dear Sen. Nelson,

I received your reply to my question on your stance on the gun control/weapons ban. After reading your reply I am still unsure what your stance really is. The poll you conducted on your website is overwhelming opposed to a ban of any kind.
Yes (9151 votes)
11.39%

No (71064 votes)
88.42%

No Opinion (152 votes)
0.19%

Please clarify for me are you going to vote with your constitutes wishes or not.

Sincerely
Donald Gilfillan
gilfo is offline  
Old January 23, 2013, 10:10 AM   #10
Woody55
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 19, 2012
Location: East Texas
Posts: 407
Spell check is a dangerous master. Spelling assistants are even worse.

While "constitutes" is a word and is spelled right, you probably meant to use use "constituents".

The anti-gun, self proclaimed elite looks at us as bunch of crazy, undeducated morons. Let's proof read our writing before hitting the send button.

No personal offense intended here. I screw spelling and grammar up all the time. I just try harder when writing to politicians and such.
Woody55 is offline  
Old January 23, 2013, 11:05 AM   #11
Aguila Blanca
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 25, 2008
Location: CONUS
Posts: 6,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xfire68
Made little to no sense and what the heck does "traditional lawful purposes like self-defense within the home." mean?
The antis have adopted the view that the Heller and McDonald decisions ONLY affirmed a right to keep a firearm in the home for self defense, that the RKBA does not extend beyond the front door "because the Supreme Court said so."

This is another one where, if the lie is repeated often enough, it becomes accepted as truth. That's what they are telling the fence-sitters out there, and if we don't refute the lie each and every time it is uttered, the vast numbers of the undecided will very soon accept that view as the truth, and we'll have a VERY difficult time then changing their opinion.
Aguila Blanca is offline  
Old January 23, 2013, 11:49 AM   #12
Don P
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 17, 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 4,770
Quote:
Sounds to me like he did not put much thought into that reply
He or his office never do put an effort into a response. Replies I have received from him are of the generic type and as stated dancing around the answer as most politicians will do. He truly needed to go and a shame Connie Mack lost to him.
He"s no friend to Florida gun owners no matter what he spews out about it.
__________________
NRA Life Member, NRA Range Safety Officer, IDPA Safety Officer
As you are, I once was, As I am, You will be.
Don P is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.08633 seconds with 9 queries