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Old January 11, 2013, 02:38 PM   #1
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Pharmacy Owner Kills Gang Member in Shootout

This case is an example of at least two things:

- Armed people in an active shooting situation
- Guns being effective defense

No defensive use of gun would likely have meant a dead family and employees.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ner-and-mother

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/01/09/...in-madera.html

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“It was not a robbery so much as it was an execution,” Lee recalled. “It was an attempted assassination. They didn’t make any demands. They simply came in, went over here, I mean they were basically trying to shoot us in the back of the head.”

The Lees ducked behind a counter; Sophie was hit in the leg. Bryan grabbed his gun and returned fire, hitting the shooter, 31-year-old Aquilla Bailey, in the face, torso, and leg. Bailey, a gang member from Fresno with “an extensive criminal history” (according to the Fresno Bee), fell to the floor but managed to get back up, exit the store, and run down the block before collapsing again; he died at the hospital some time later. A second suspect fled the scene but was arrested the following day; he will likely face attempted murder charges even though he was apparently unarmed at the time of the crime.
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Old January 11, 2013, 04:03 PM   #2
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The state of CA was incapable of keeping notorious gang member Aquilla Bailey locked away from guns. Now Bailey has become deceased because of his violent nature.

Good on the pharmacist.
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Old January 11, 2013, 05:44 PM   #3
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Now substitute "school" for "pharmacy" ...
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Old January 11, 2013, 06:04 PM   #4
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Now substitute "school" for "pharmacy" ...
I think all pharmacists know it is only matter of time before some one tries to rob and kill them. Kind of like being a convenience store clerk.

Aguila Blanca looks a whole lot like Aquilla Bailey. I had to do a double take.
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Old January 11, 2013, 07:15 PM   #5
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In Florida you can't CCW in a Pharmacy, that robber would have been breaking the law in FL
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Old January 11, 2013, 11:31 PM   #6
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That didn't sound right, re pharmacies in Florida. Just looked it up on handgunlaw.us, and pharmacies were not on the prohibited list. Hospitals are only on the list if they provide mental health care.

I suppose the site could have missed something in Florida's laws, but handgunlaw.us is normally pretty solid.
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Old January 13, 2013, 02:43 AM   #7
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Can Not Carry In A FL Pharmacy?

Here is the list - http://http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl...ossession.html
  • any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
  • any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
  • any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
  • any courtroom*
  • any polling place
  • any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
  • any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
  • any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
  • any school administration building
  • any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
  • any elementary or secondary school facility
  • any area technical center
  • any college or university facility*
  • inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
  • any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
Don't see PHARMACY on it.
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Old January 13, 2013, 10:08 AM   #8
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Pharmacy

Good to know, funny the one thing I remembered from my course was wrong.


Think my instructor misread this law. Sounds like you can't but you can. Oh well.
If he understood it I don't believe he would have even brought it up.
http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/790.145
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Old January 13, 2013, 10:39 AM   #9
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I wonder why we didn't hear about this on mainstream media TV. Good for Lee. Glad noboby was hurt any worse than Sophie was (except for Bailey, of course).
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Old January 13, 2013, 10:51 AM   #10
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Cases like this almost never get coverage by mainstream media because it does not play into their mindset of being against the private ownership of guns. I'm curious what will happen when the Trayvon Williams (I think that was his name) shooter Zimmerman starts in June. My guess is that it will great coverage, unless the facts start to point in the direction of supporting Mr. Zimmerman, then it will disappear from the media. It also amazes me when incidents where an off duty cop shoots a bad guy who attempted to rob them makes the news, without the reporter ever stating "what about the rest of us without guns, would we be better off if like the off duty cop we had a gun to protect us?"
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Old January 13, 2013, 11:04 AM   #11
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Vito: Cops are "highly trained" while the rest of us dumb civilians wouldn't know which end of a gun to point at a bad guy and we would probably end up killing everybody within miles

Doesn't fit into the agenda of most reporters.
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Old January 13, 2013, 11:22 AM   #12
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Awfully nice of the criminal to limp away and die outside of the pharmacy.
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Old January 13, 2013, 01:15 PM   #13
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RamItOne, If I had a dollar for every time an instructor gave me a bad piece of advice...

Moral is, always verify from the source.
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Old January 13, 2013, 02:01 PM   #14
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I wonder why we didn't hear about this on mainstream media TV
This is really pretty simple to answer. You live in Texas. The incident occurred in California. This was a limited local news event. It isn't going to get picked up on the national wires unless it is something that is newsworthy enough to command more marketshare than all the other localized events going on all over the the country. So you didn't hear about it on the "mainstream media." The interests covered for the Fresno area are not the interests covered for your location in Texas and so not part of your local mainstream media to cover Fresno or Madera. Wouldn't you hate it if all you heard about was Fresno news in Texas?

If you believe Lott, guns save LOTS of lives everyday like airbags, apparently even more so. Somebody being saved by an airbag doesn't exactly make the news nationally unless maybe it is a celebrity or the crash victim isn't found for a week or two, still clinging to life. Similarly, singular, double, and even multiple domestic murders often don't command much more than local news either. You probably aren't even aware of all the acts of violence that went on in Chicago or New York for the last few nights, are you?

If mainstream media broadcast every positive event that happened in the country along with every negative event, even if those events were just defensive gun shootings and bad guy shootings of good guys, the newscast would last for hours and would get worse when the auto industry started demanding airbag stories be aired.

However, to answer your question more directly, it was covered by the mainstream media. The questions you should have asked is why the OP didn't cite a mainstream media sources or why you didn't google it yourself.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?se...cal&id=8948286
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?se...cal&id=8949595
http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Mad...186239032.html
How about the followup?
http://www.cbs47.tv/news/local/story...49j6WRisQ.cspx

Of course, the OP wasn't making a case about the media's coverage of shootings and simply cited sources that covered the material to make the point. So that would answer the first question.

The media did its job and covered a local news event.
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Old January 13, 2013, 05:10 PM   #15
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Wouldn't you hate it if all you heard about was Fresno news in Texas?
True. I wouldn't really expect to hear about this in TX. My point is if it had been an event that villified gun owners we would have probably heard about it. I have been seeing a report on Fox about police hunting a "gunman" in a theater in San Diego. I read the report in a newspaper on the internet. A foolish 20-yr old waved a gun at people who were trying to interfere with an arguement with his girlfriend. They called the cops. He ran into the theater to hide. They went in and shot him. He never fired a shot or threatened any theater patrons.
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Old January 13, 2013, 09:25 PM   #16
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True. I wouldn't really expect to hear about this in TX. My point is if it had been an event that villified gun owners we would have probably heard about it.
No, you clearly said you wondered why we had not heard about this in the mainstream media, implying that since you had not heard about it, that it wasn't covered. It obviously was.

It was a local event, in no way tied to or similar to some other current events, no reason to go national. It is not a story that would mean one iota to most folks outside of the local area.

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I have been seeing a report on Fox about police hunting a "gunman" in a theater in San Diego. I read the report in a newspaper on the internet. A foolish 20-yr old waved a gun at people who were trying to interfere with an arguement with his girlfriend. They called the cops. He ran into the theater to hide. They went in and shot him. He never fired a shot or threatened any theater patrons.
Wow! You read that on the internet? I read about the pharmacy shooting on the internet. However, you rather mischaracterized the story. The man didn't have an argument with his girlfriend. He chased and attempted to abduct her, but she escaped. He wasn't being a foolish 20 year old. He was being a felon with a history of domestic violence. While he did not threaten theater patrons, he did threaten the cops.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/poli...spect-18201558
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2464804.html
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...movie-theater/

Surely you aren't suggesting the media is making gunowners look bad by correctly pointing out that there was indeed a gunman engaged in felonious activity and attempting to evading law enforcement by hiding in a theater who then threatened cops with a gun. There are in fact bad guys who do use guns in bad ways.
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Old January 14, 2013, 05:04 PM   #17
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Of course, the OP wasn't making a case about the media's coverage of shootings and simply cited sources that covered the material to make the point.
I saw a one liner on the MSNBC front page. Then I went to the local news to get the rest of the story. Covered? Not Covered? My point is that it happens and we should be aware of such things. Don't expect impartial media treatment that never happens.
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