The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Black Powder and Cowboy Action Shooting

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 10, 2013, 06:35 PM   #1
10851Man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 20, 2009
Location: High Desert Mountains CA.
Posts: 410
Blackhorn 209:

What are your thoughts????

This isn't designed for revolvers, is it????

I am looking for the cleanest possible BP substitute for a steel framed .36 revolver.

Thanks!!!!
10851Man is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 07:01 PM   #2
Jbar4Ranch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 19, 1999
Location: Near Helena, Montana
Posts: 1,543
It's a duplex powder made for inline rifles. The literature says it is designed to be used in blackpowder firearms with a 209 primer that is completely enclosed or completely encircled or words to that effect.

All black powder and substitutes are going to leave a residue - shoot the real stuff and have a great experience!
__________________
Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced...

SASS 47015
Jbar4Ranch is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 07:06 PM   #3
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 11,717
I'm not knocking you or anything but I just don't understand why people buy a bp gun and then want it to shoot as clean as a modern smokeless gun. Buy some black and smoke that puppy up.
Hawg is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 07:09 PM   #4
10851Man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 20, 2009
Location: High Desert Mountains CA.
Posts: 410
I want something that is good for prolonged storage. I used Pyrodex for many years with good results, just curious if technology has given us something better????
10851Man is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 07:12 PM   #5
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 11,717
I use Pyrodex. IMHO there's just more expensive, none of it is any better except the real deal.
Hawg is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 07:15 PM   #6
Jbar4Ranch
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 19, 1999
Location: Near Helena, Montana
Posts: 1,543
Like load it and store it for a long period?

As an experiment, I once let a loaded and capped BP revolver go 4 full years with real black powder. The Crisco in the chamber mouths had dried up and shrunk a bit, so I smeared some new stuff on, stepped outside and all six went bang, no problem. No corrosion and no problems firing.
Black powder and subs aren't corrosive, per se, it's after the initial firing that the residue becomes very hygroscopic and attracts water like a sponge. The residue by itself isn't corrosive until it starts soaking up water out of the air.

(edit) Oh, and Pyrodex isn't "better" than black powder, or any other sub for that matter. Pyrodex came about as a substitute that could be sold by a retailer without the licensing or storage requirements of black powder, which is an explosive. Pyrodex is a flammable.
__________________
Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced...

SASS 47015
Jbar4Ranch is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 07:29 PM   #7
10851Man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 20, 2009
Location: High Desert Mountains CA.
Posts: 410
Thanks, guys...That's great information!!!!!!

Who's powder do you guy's recommend???

I used to seal the front of the chambers with candle wax....I stored an 1858 Remington for 6 years with Pyrodex with no issues...
10851Man is offline  
Old January 10, 2013, 08:26 PM   #8
brazosdave
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 7, 2012
Location: Copperas Cove, TX
Posts: 303
I would rather shoot real black than any sub, but when I do, which is rather often, I like pyrodex P. Trip 7 is good too, as long as you remember to reduce your charge by 15%.
__________________
"I'm your huckleberry, it's just my game"
brazosdave is offline  
Old January 11, 2013, 07:10 AM   #9
B.L.E.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 20, 2008
Location: Somewhere on the Southern shore of Lake Travis, TX
Posts: 1,901
The more I shoot real black powder, the more I appreciate just how terrible it is not.

I haven't tried BH209 in a muzzleloader because I don't have a muzzleloader that uses a sealed 209 ignition. I have used it in cartridges and it works well.
Even if your rifle does use 209 primers, it may not work. Some breech plugs have a flash hole that's too tiny and long for good ignition with BH209 I hear. When the flash hole is tiny and long, a 209 primer essentially becomes the same as a #11 percussion cap.

My brother has one of those muzzleloaders that uses sealed 209 ignition and he loves the stuff because he can shoot very small groups with it.
B.L.E. is offline  
Old January 11, 2013, 10:10 AM   #10
Logan5579
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 9, 2013
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 102
Quote:
As an experiment, I once let a loaded and capped BP revolver go 4 full years with real black powder. The Crisco in the chamber mouths had dried up and shrunk a bit, so I smeared some new stuff on, stepped outside and all six went bang, no problem. No corrosion and no problems firing.
Three years ago I put a couple of loaded cylinders away and left them alone until a month or so ago. The load was 35gr pyrodex p, vegetable fiber wad, lube cookie made from beeswax and lard, 220gr conicals that I cast myself, cci #11 magnum primers that fit perfectly on the nipples. The cylinders stayed in the top of the closet of my storage room in which I've closed the central heat/air vents so it gets a little warm in summer, a little cool in winter. One pretty day I decided to see if they fired and if so how well...was curious to see if they developed the "pop...boom" syndrome or if they were dead. Well I was happy to get BOOM X 12! No hangfire and no decrease in power from a fresh load (as far as I could tell). That was a good day shootin, I put 24 more shots through each cylinder...just for the heck of it.

It's near impossilbe to get real black around here so I've almost always used pyro p...but I don't mind gettin dirty and smokin up the neighborhood, to me it's part of the fun!
__________________
Beware the man with one gun, he knows how to use it
Logan5579 is offline  
Old January 11, 2013, 12:50 PM   #11
BirchOrr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 25, 2012
Location: Eaton Rapids, MI
Posts: 348
You guys kill me!

I can't fathom leaving one of my BP pistols set around that long loaded. I can't keep my hands off 'em that long!

Warm here today, got out of work early, unloading/cleaning in-lines and as soon as I'm done w/that, time to load pistols and burn powder!



Birch
__________________
Black Powder: Not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win...
BirchOrr is offline  
Old January 11, 2013, 06:05 PM   #12
Hawg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 8, 2007
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 11,717
Quote:
(edit) Oh, and Pyrodex isn't "better" than black powder, or any other sub for that matter.
FWIW I didn't say it was better than black. I do think its better than the other subs. It's chemically almost the same as black. It has a little less potassium nitrate and uses potassium perchlorate to make up the difference.
Hawg is offline  
Old January 11, 2013, 06:16 PM   #13
10851Man
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 20, 2009
Location: High Desert Mountains CA.
Posts: 410
Thanks, guys...
10851Man is offline  
Old January 12, 2013, 11:36 PM   #14
littleking
Member
 
Join Date: January 13, 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 28
So I do shoot BH209, and have shot pyrodex, triple7 and others... BH209 is the most consistent, easiest to clean, and stable powder that I've tried.

I've tried pellets, loose, flake, you name it. Nothing is as stable as BH209.

It does not have a shelf live, does not absorb moisture, and damn does it shoot good!

here's 92 gr by volume with 250gr shockwave at 100yd with encore

__________________
Stop by Kimber Shooters Forum
littleking is offline  
Old January 13, 2013, 12:42 AM   #15
FrontierGander
Senior Member
 
Join Date: January 30, 2009
Location: Boncarbo,Colorado
Posts: 339
BH209 is THE powder to use in a modern break action muzzleloader. Best stuff there if for these guns.
__________________
Frontier Muzzleloading
FrontierGander is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.09053 seconds with 7 queries