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Old January 15, 2015, 09:18 PM   #1
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Magpul announces Glock 17 mags for $16/ea!

PMAG17 GL9.

Woah.

I don't want this to come off as a drive by, but I just watched the video. That's a crazy price. My only concern is that they are all polymer and not steel lined. We all know how well that worked for Glock originally....

However, Magpul claims these remain drop free when either full or empty, so there's not much flex in them. We'll see how they stand up.

Check out the video: http://youtu.be/fAbNvZ2QHVg

...I wonder if they'll make a 30/33 rounder as well.
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Old January 15, 2015, 09:29 PM   #2
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So now I need a Glock?
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Old January 15, 2015, 09:32 PM   #3
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And because its a 17 rd mag....i cant get em in Colorado. The frickin HOME of Magpul. Well old home...origional home??

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Old January 15, 2015, 09:36 PM   #4
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I think the word you're looking for is "former"
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Old January 15, 2015, 09:42 PM   #5
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Magpul announces Glock 17 mags
<sarc>I was unaware that Glock OEM mags were expensive and hard to come by.</sarc>

(Seriously, I've got a ton of KCI magazines rebuilt with good springs, but I'll try a couple of these.)
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Old January 15, 2015, 10:03 PM   #6
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Glock mags were already pretty much the cheapest but hey I guess it's something.
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Old January 15, 2015, 10:20 PM   #7
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Uncle Malice ....We all know how well that worked for Glock originally....
It worked just fine. I believe the original Austrian contract required that the mag not drop free until empty.

The idea of a drop free magazine for speed loading is a relatively new concept (early 1970's). Plenty of American & European gun designs have the mag release at the heel requiring the same hand to remove and reload.

Militaries don't play IDPA games and don't want the troops losing their mags.
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Old January 16, 2015, 01:37 AM   #8
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..I wonder if they'll make a 30/33 rounder as well.
Wont work well.


Double stack to single feed puts a huge load on the side walls of the mag. There will be bulging, and potentially feed lips flaring.
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Old January 16, 2015, 03:39 AM   #9
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It worked just fine.
Not true. I was more referring to the lack of steel lined feed lips that got very torn up and flared.

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Double stack to single feed puts a huge load on the side walls of the mag. There will be bulging, and potentially feed lips flaring.
Are you suggesting that Magpul doesn't know how to build a high capacity magazine that works well? I suspect there millions of PMAGs on the market price otherwise.

Would it work in the Glock platform? I don't know. But, I suspect if it did not, they wouldn't release it.
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Old January 16, 2015, 10:33 AM   #10
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Are you suggesting that Magpul doesn't know how to build a high capacity magazine that works well? I suspect there millions of PMAGs on the market price otherwise.

Would it work in the Glock platform? I don't know. But, I suspect if it did not, they wouldn't release it.
You asked if they can make a 30rd mag, assuming it's made up of completely polymer. I explained how it can be difficult due to inherent pistol magazine flaws. I did not say magpul cant make anything.

For what it's worth, even plastic HK USP mags have a steel embedded feed tower/feed lips.
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Old January 16, 2015, 10:44 AM   #11
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The deal to beat for Glock mags, are still the Korean mags. I still get them for $9-10 ea., depending on the model.

They work just as well as the factory mags too.

Not knocking MagPul, they just need to get the price down.
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Old January 16, 2015, 02:13 PM   #12
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They work just as well as the factory mags too.
Ehhhh, not really.

I've got a picture somewhere that I took (will try to locate and post) comparing Glock OEM magazine springs with Korean. The springs in the Korean magazines are noticeably weaker. As in, in this case, being lucky the last few rounds fed.

Thus my comment above, about rebuilding my KCI magazines.
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Old January 16, 2015, 02:23 PM   #13
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I hope that in the coming future they manufacture them for both .45 ACP and .357 Sig as well.
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Old January 16, 2015, 02:55 PM   #14
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I have 20 or so of the 17 Korean mags I use every week in practice. Been using them constantly for about 6 years now. Never really had any issues with them that could be attributed strictly to them.

I did replace the springs with some of the Wolff springs on the first ten, about a year ago, when I started to have a few more failures than normal, and thought it might be the springs, but Ive pretty much narrowed that problem down to the brass wearing out though, as Im still having the issue with my reloaded brass, and not with factory ammo, with any mag I use.

I cant tell the difference when shooting or loading, between the mags with the Wolff springs and those that were not changed out.

Theres no doubt the springs on the Korean mags were a bit shorter when I took them out, but I cant say the factory springs wouldnt be the same, with the same use.

I also have 10 of the Korean 19 mags now, and they have been fine as well.

For the money, I still think they are the deal, especially for practice mags. They were even more of a deal back when they were $5 a mag, but you know how that goes.
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Old January 16, 2015, 05:33 PM   #15
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I did replace the springs with some of the Wolff springs on the first ten, about a year ago, when I started to have a few more failures than normal, and thought it might be the springs,
Wolff magazine springs are extra power, and sized for the G17. I tried one. It was just too much for the shorter G19 magazines I have. That's why I went with Glock OEM magazine springs when I rebuilt mine.
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Wont work well.


Double stack to single feed puts a huge load on the side walls of the mag. There will be bulging, and potentially feed lips flaring.
Glock has been making 33 round mags since the beginning. I have 2, they function just fine in all 9mm Glocks including the G-26.
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Old January 16, 2015, 05:59 PM   #17
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Wolff magazine springs are extra power, and sized for the G17. I tried one. It was just too much for the shorter G19 magazines I have. That's why I went with Glock OEM magazine springs when I rebuilt mine.
Just out of curiosity, how many rounds or how long had you been using them before you felt the need to change the springs? What exactly was going on too?
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From day one, the springs in the KCI magazines seemed anemic compared to those in Glock magazines.



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I was more referring to the lack of steel lined feed lips that got very torn up and flared.
When did Glock sell magazines without steel-lined feedlips? I've got some of the old non-drop free mags and they all have steel-lined feedlips. Was there a different design that came out very early that I've never heard of before now?
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Old January 16, 2015, 07:02 PM   #20
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And because its a 17 rd mag....i cant get em in Colorado. The frickin HOME of Magpul. Well old home...origional home?
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Old January 16, 2015, 07:34 PM   #21
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Original unlined all the way to the left.



The street price on these will make them very appealing. Despite being unlined, I'm pretty sure Magpul knows how to do it that way successfully. If these show up for $10-$12 they won't make them fast enough. I'm still going to wait for some reviews and testers though.
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Old January 16, 2015, 07:57 PM   #22
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From day one, the springs in the KCI magazines seemed anemic compared to those in Glock magazines.
Your KCI spring looks about like mine did when I dumped them.

I just pulled a couple of the others I have, and they stick out the bottom of the mag about the same as yours, maybe a little farther. The Wolff's stick out something like the new Glock spring.

I wish now Id kept the old KCI/KHAN springs, as I'd like to have tried them again. Im still thinking they werent the issue.

When you consider the ones I replaced still had at least around 260 cycles each on them, just figuring 5+ years of weekly use, Im still not going to bitch for $5-7 a mag I paid for those. The Wolff replacement springs cost me about the same as the mags did. Mag bodies/lips are fine. Im also still running a couple out of the early mags that I didnt get springs for (they come in packs of ten). Those mags are still working fine as well. They have over 300 cycles on them now at this point.

I went through a similar experience for a short period with a couple of extractors. Thats where I came to realize that it was my brass wearing out that was the issue, and not the extractors (and most likely not the mag springs too). I switched back the first replacement extractor, and it worked fine (with factory ammo), and has been in the gun ever since.

The only thing good to come of all that drama is, Ive found that worn out brass is great for practicing failure drills. They happen randomly, and with no warning, so its more like the real deal when they occur.


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The first couple of Glocks I had back in the 80's had the unlined mags. They worked fine, just wouldnt drop free until they were near empty. Nothing really wrong with that, and in a way, things have come full circle now, with current thoughts on ripping the mags out during a reload, whether they drop or not.
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Im still not going to bitch for $5-7 a mag I paid for those.
Gun shop that was around at the time had a box of the KCI mags for $8 each. I used to pick up one every time I was in there.
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I bought a few G19 KCI mags for $6 each that have worked well. After awhile I threw some Wolff springs in them and some Glock base plates I had after putting some GAP plates on the factory mags. The springs and mags together were still much cheaper than factory. I've never had one cause a malfunction yet.
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Old January 16, 2015, 10:55 PM   #25
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Glock has been making 33 round mags since the beginning. I have 2, they function just fine in all 9mm Glocks including the G-26.
The magpul mags will not be lined with steel..........assuming so, based on the video.

A 33rd mag double to single feed polymer pistol mag with no steel lining is going to be problematic.
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