If you're limited to 10 rounds...

Pistola Pedro · January 9, 2013, 04:48 PM

how does it affect the attractiveness of high-cap pistols going forward?
For instance, someone may be considering a Glock 19 vs. a 4 inch 1911 in 9mm for a "do all" pistol. If they are both limited to 10 rounds, doesn't that change the game a little.
I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that full sized double stacks become obsolete and the single stack service size polymer becomes the next big fad?
As an aside, I'm currently considering either a STI IV 9mm vs. a P99 AS, so it's a very pertinent conversation for me.
Pete

tahunua001 · January 9, 2013, 04:53 PM

there actually isn't that much in the way of single stacks. also ammo cap bans are not permanent, in the event that a ban is lifted or relaxed, it is easy to turn a 10 round double stacked 9mm into a 15 or higher round double stack but a 10 round single stack is impossible to increase without just making longer, more ungainly magazines.

BerdanSS · January 9, 2013, 04:53 PM

The same way it did before. I have never been "attracted" to hi-cap pistols in the first place.

Tucker 1371 · January 9, 2013, 04:57 PM

All hail the mighty 1911

Strafer Gott · January 9, 2013, 05:10 PM

Yes, the old Sig 225, 220, 1911, PPK may regain their popularity. I'm glad I kept them. Of course, I'm glad I kept the USP Tactical more.

ClydeFrog · January 9, 2013, 05:48 PM

Maybe a federal gun ban will bring back 1990s era hits like the .40Super, the .400Corbon, the .41AE, etc.
I always liked the potent .40Super. It feeds great & has high KE levels.

Clyde

zincwarrior · January 9, 2013, 05:59 PM

Are you referring to a ban on new magazines over 10 rounds? Ah,

*More single stacks ala PPS and Shield for CC. Also the smaller Glock, M&Pc and RUger SR9c style as well and their height is already short and its advantageous.
*You'll still see the big boys (full size double columns) but the only magazines available will be ten rounders.
*Might be more of a migration to bigger calibers. In addition to the 1911 platform we've seen the usual plastic gun suspects come out with .40 and .45ACP versions recently.

g.willikers · January 9, 2013, 07:06 PM

Maybe carrying two guns will become popular again.
Like Hopalong, Roy or Wild Bill.

serf 'rett · January 9, 2013, 07:33 PM

My take is ...

...I just ordered a Springfield XDm 5.25, in .45ACP, because the magazines hold more than 10.

When (and if) the ban comes, then will be the time to get that 1911 style to partner with my current lower capacity carry critters getters.

mumbo719 · January 9, 2013, 07:39 PM

My advice is get the P99 AS. Nothing more we can do than wait for the STHF

Deaf Smith · January 9, 2013, 08:26 PM

Since my main carry guns are sub-compact Glocks 26/27/33 and J .38s then it won't affect me just about at all.

True I have some 11 shot Glock 26 OEM mags but big deal.

Now I do have some Glock 17 and 19 mags but really I'm not worried.

In fact, if there is another ban then I suggest every gun owner VOTE OUT THEIR REPS AND SENATORS who vote for it.

See that is about the only way you can get their attention. Vote them out if they say 'yea'.

Deaf

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 08:30 PM

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Yes, the old Sig 225, 220, 1911, PPK may regain their popularity

Ah all the sales numbers I hear about makes them sound fairly popular... Not sure where your getting this idea?

bfskinnerpunk · January 9, 2013, 08:31 PM

So, with a ban, what happens to existing mags?

I'm all glock.... so I'd have to turn in my normal capacity mags and get small ones?

To answer the OP question, I am going to be FAR more interested in revolvers if automatics become a big gun-control hassle.

Reliable as a glock and no concerns about mags.

TunnelRat · January 9, 2013, 08:43 PM

What happens to existing mags all depends on grandfathering. From what they've proposed my understanding is mags out there currently that you own would be fine. Depending on how strict they go you might not be able to sell them, however. I have 6 magazines for all my pistols, I'm not worried. Even if I had only 10 rds, I'd still go with 9mm. To me if you honestly would change what caliber you carry simply because you have 10 instead of say 15 rds, maybe you shouldn't have been carrying that caliber in the first place as you don't seem to have a ton of confidence in it.

Mystro · January 9, 2013, 08:49 PM

Not that I think its gonna happen (again).... But all current hi cap magazines are grandfathered in so you will still be able to use them. Hense why every one is loosing their mind and buying them up. This was what fired up the resurgent of the 1911 45acp back then. A better idea is Stay Strong and fight the very idea of a ban. Let others know you enjoy shooting and own many guns and are proud of it. Don't let the media push or shame the idea that only weird people own guns. They are trying to change public perception like they did with smoking. Don't let it happen. The government works for you and not the other way around.

chewie146 · January 9, 2013, 09:12 PM

Full sized pistols are more accurate but I think we'd see a lot more polymer makers making single stacks if it's a retroactive ban. Frankly, I see about 2 years at least before it happens. Personally, I think the inability of the govt. to do anything at all, let alone anything right, in the last 5 years or so will lead to a delay on legislation both good and bad. That's my opinion, though. However, with my current and long lasting affection for wheel guns, I'm limited to 8 or 9 anyway. It will make me mad, but it won't affect my collection.

I think with ammo prices, the 1911 won't be as attractive as last time. .45 ammo isn't cheap like it was. Frankly, I'd like to see single stack polymer 9mms from someone other than Kahr anyway

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Niantician · January 9, 2013, 09:18 PM

Banned or not. Its not going to change the amount of rounds I carry. Just the manner in which I carry them. I guess I'd just carry and extra mag. I may practice reloading a bit more too.

ClydeFrog · January 9, 2013, 09:47 PM

I bet all the .45GAP owners will get a hearty laugh!

They knew their day would come.

Clyde

egor20 · January 9, 2013, 09:50 PM

I carry an RIA CS so no prob, my summer carry is a S&W 469, so I'd only lose 2 rounds.

testuser · January 9, 2013, 10:31 PM

I know this is the semi-auto forum, but if limited to 10 rounds, then I'd take a second look at 7 or 8 shot .357 magnum revolvers. If capacity is out the window, then I'll take a Model 27. Otherwise, 1911s in 10mm and .38 super hold more rounds without extending below the grip and compact, double stacked autos are very space efficient.

Noreaster · January 9, 2013, 11:13 PM

Funny thing is I've been shooting my S&W M66 allot lately and looking at 1911s. My high cap Glock and Sigs have been sitting in the safe.Twenty something years ago my two shooters were a M19 and Series 80 Colt. What do they say about fashion, hold on to it because it comes back around again.

zincwarrior · January 9, 2013, 11:21 PM

Well practically speaking, the wife and I will keep our M&Pc and Beretta storm respectively. We have plenty of mags for the personal defense front. Otherwise I'd just buy 10 round mags for IDPA. As a Texan it would be annoying to watch the "Californiacation" of the US but we'd survive.

Might have to invade Mexico to vent our anger though, but thats just a Texas thing.

Dashunde · January 9, 2013, 11:41 PM

I think the larger caliber guns will get more popular. Might as well fill the empty space with bigger lead.

BoneDigger · January 9, 2013, 11:44 PM

For some people a larger grip means more accuracy, regardless of round capacity.

Todd

breakingcontact · January 10, 2013, 12:07 AM

Then the 45 will make more sense to me.

January 9, 2013, 04:48 PM	#1
Pistola Pedro Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2005 Posts: 127	If you're limited to 10 rounds... how does it affect the attractiveness of high-cap pistols going forward? For instance, someone may be considering a Glock 19 vs. a 4 inch 1911 in 9mm for a "do all" pistol. If they are both limited to 10 rounds, doesn't that change the game a little. I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that full sized double stacks become obsolete and the single stack service size polymer becomes the next big fad? As an aside, I'm currently considering either a STI IV 9mm vs. a P99 AS, so it's a very pertinent conversation for me. Pete

January 9, 2013, 04:53 PM	#2
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,609	there actually isn't that much in the way of single stacks. also ammo cap bans are not permanent, in the event that a ban is lifted or relaxed, it is easy to turn a 10 round double stacked 9mm into a 15 or higher round double stack but a 10 round single stack is impossible to increase without just making longer, more ungainly magazines. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

January 9, 2013, 04:53 PM	#3
BerdanSS Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Posts: 579	The same way it did before. I have never been "attracted" to hi-cap pistols in the first place. Last edited by BerdanSS; January 9, 2013 at 04:59 PM.

January 9, 2013, 04:57 PM	#4
Tucker 1371 Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 1,686	All hail the mighty 1911 __________________ LCpl Williams, Evan T. USMC-R, 02-08-2010 ~ D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! OEF 21JUN-20SEP2011 REV. 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

January 9, 2013, 05:10 PM	#5
Strafer Gott Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2011 Location: New Mexico Posts: 878	Short stack Yes, the old Sig 225, 220, 1911, PPK may regain their popularity. I'm glad I kept them. Of course, I'm glad I kept the USP Tactical more.

January 9, 2013, 05:48 PM	#6
ClydeFrog Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2010 Posts: 3,862	Return of the Mack(.40Super).... Maybe a federal gun ban will bring back 1990s era hits like the .40Super, the .400Corbon, the .41AE, etc. I always liked the potent .40Super. It feeds great & has high KE levels. Clyde __________________ Speed's fine, but accuracy's final.

January 9, 2013, 05:59 PM	#7
zincwarrior Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2011 Location: Texas, land of Tex-Mex Posts: 883	Are you referring to a ban on new magazines over 10 rounds? Ah, More single stacks ala PPS and Shield for CC. Also the smaller Glock, M&Pc and RUger SR9c style as well and their height is already short and its advantageous. You'll still see the big boys (full size double columns) but the only magazines available will be ten rounders. *Might be more of a migration to bigger calibers. In addition to the 1911 platform we've seen the usual plastic gun suspects come out with .40 and .45ACP versions recently.

January 9, 2013, 07:06 PM	#8
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 2,536	Maybe carrying two guns will become popular again. Like Hopalong, Roy or Wild Bill. __________________ Lock the doors, they're coming in the windows.

January 9, 2013, 07:33 PM	#9
serf 'rett Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2009 Location: Stuttgart Posts: 1,040	My take is ... ...I just ordered a Springfield XDm 5.25, in .45ACP, because the magazines hold more than 10. When (and if) the ban comes, then will be the time to get that 1911 style to partner with my current lower capacity carry critters getters. __________________ A lack of planning on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part.

January 9, 2013, 07:39 PM	#10
mumbo719 Senior Member Join Date: June 27, 2008 Location: Tampa Bay, FL. Posts: 328	My advice is get the P99 AS. Nothing more we can do than wait for the STHF __________________ CZ 75 P-01 . CZ-75B . CZ 912 . XDm 45 Compact . Walther P99c . Walther PPS . Kel-Tec PF9 . Ruger 22/45 MKIII

January 9, 2013, 08:26 PM	#11
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 2,695	Since my main carry guns are sub-compact Glocks 26/27/33 and J .38s then it won't affect me just about at all. True I have some 11 shot Glock 26 OEM mags but big deal. Now I do have some Glock 17 and 19 mags but really I'm not worried. In fact, if there is another ban then I suggest every gun owner VOTE OUT THEIR REPS AND SENATORS who vote for it. See that is about the only way you can get their attention. Vote them out if they say 'yea'. Deaf __________________ “We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality” Ayn Rand

January 9, 2013, 08:31 PM	#13
bfskinnerpunk Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2009 Posts: 201	So, with a ban, what happens to existing mags? I'm all glock.... so I'd have to turn in my normal capacity mags and get small ones? To answer the OP question, I am going to be FAR more interested in revolvers if automatics become a big gun-control hassle. Reliable as a glock and no concerns about mags.

January 9, 2013, 08:43 PM	#14
TunnelRat Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 2,419	What happens to existing mags all depends on grandfathering. From what they've proposed my understanding is mags out there currently that you own would be fine. Depending on how strict they go you might not be able to sell them, however. I have 6 magazines for all my pistols, I'm not worried. Even if I had only 10 rds, I'd still go with 9mm. To me if you honestly would change what caliber you carry simply because you have 10 instead of say 15 rds, maybe you shouldn't have been carrying that caliber in the first place as you don't seem to have a ton of confidence in it. __________________ Guns don't kill people. Apes with guns kill people! - Robin Williams

January 9, 2013, 08:49 PM	#15
Mystro Senior Member Join Date: November 26, 2004 Location: Central Pa. Posts: 462	Not that I think its gonna happen (again).... But all current hi cap magazines are grandfathered in so you will still be able to use them. Hense why every one is loosing their mind and buying them up. This was what fired up the resurgent of the 1911 45acp back then. A better idea is Stay Strong and fight the very idea of a ban. Let others know you enjoy shooting and own many guns and are proud of it. Don't let the media push or shame the idea that only weird people own guns. They are trying to change public perception like they did with smoking. Don't let it happen. The government works for you and not the other way around. __________________ "I'm a good guy with a gun" What do I care if I give up some freedom or rights?....The Goverment will take care of me. This kind of thinking is now in the majority and it should concern you. "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what free entitlements you can bleed from your country"

January 9, 2013, 09:12 PM	#16
chewie146 Senior Member Join Date: October 26, 2010 Location: New Mexico Posts: 746	Full sized pistols are more accurate but I think we'd see a lot more polymer makers making single stacks if it's a retroactive ban. Frankly, I see about 2 years at least before it happens. Personally, I think the inability of the govt. to do anything at all, let alone anything right, in the last 5 years or so will lead to a delay on legislation both good and bad. That's my opinion, though. However, with my current and long lasting affection for wheel guns, I'm limited to 8 or 9 anyway. It will make me mad, but it won't affect my collection. I think with ammo prices, the 1911 won't be as attractive as last time. .45 ammo isn't cheap like it was. Frankly, I'd like to see single stack polymer 9mms from someone other than Kahr anyway .

January 9, 2013, 09:18 PM	#17
Niantician Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2005 Location: Ct. Posts: 463	Banned or not. Its not going to change the amount of rounds I carry. Just the manner in which I carry them. I guess I'd just carry and extra mag. I may practice reloading a bit more too. __________________ There are many things in life that are out of my control. Recoil isn't one of them.

January 9, 2013, 09:47 PM	#18
ClydeFrog Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2010 Posts: 3,862	.45GAP.... I bet all the .45GAP owners will get a hearty laugh! They knew their day would come. Clyde __________________ Speed's fine, but accuracy's final.

January 9, 2013, 09:50 PM	#19
egor20 Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2010 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,743	I carry an RIA CS so no prob, my summer carry is a S&W 469, so I'd only lose 2 rounds. __________________ Chief stall mucker and grain chef Country don't mean dumb. Steven King. The Stand

January 9, 2013, 10:31 PM	#20
testuser Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2010 Posts: 495	I know this is the semi-auto forum, but if limited to 10 rounds, then I'd take a second look at 7 or 8 shot .357 magnum revolvers. If capacity is out the window, then I'll take a Model 27. Otherwise, 1911s in 10mm and .38 super hold more rounds without extending below the grip and compact, double stacked autos are very space efficient.

January 9, 2013, 11:13 PM	#21
Noreaster Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2011 Location: New England Posts: 975	Funny thing is I've been shooting my S&W M66 allot lately and looking at 1911s. My high cap Glock and Sigs have been sitting in the safe.Twenty something years ago my two shooters were a M19 and Series 80 Colt. What do they say about fashion, hold on to it because it comes back around again.

January 9, 2013, 11:21 PM	#22
zincwarrior Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2011 Location: Texas, land of Tex-Mex Posts: 883	Well practically speaking, the wife and I will keep our M&Pc and Beretta storm respectively. We have plenty of mags for the personal defense front. Otherwise I'd just buy 10 round mags for IDPA. As a Texan it would be annoying to watch the "Californiacation" of the US but we'd survive. Might have to invade Mexico to vent our anger though, but thats just a Texas thing.

January 9, 2013, 11:41 PM	#23
Dashunde Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2004 Posts: 1,429	I think the larger caliber guns will get more popular. Might as well fill the empty space with bigger lead.

January 9, 2013, 11:44 PM	#24
BoneDigger Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2005 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 657	For some people a larger grip means more accuracy, regardless of round capacity. Todd

January 10, 2013, 12:07 AM	#25
breakingcontact Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 647	Then the 45 will make more sense to me.