Flash - Urgent - Online Discussion with Senator Kline in roughly 1 hour.

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 03:14 PM

Sorry for the short notice...

In a little less than an hour Senator Kline from Washington state is going to have a online discussion on the following link:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-gun-activist/

This Senator is very anti gun... Please attend if at all possible.. Time is short..

BGutzman

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 03:40 PM

21 minutes left before the start... Please participate if you can!

spacecoast · January 9, 2013, 03:42 PM

Is there any kind of registration requirement to participate once the thing starts?

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 03:43 PM

I dont see a registration requirement, but I have not used this forum on this discussion site before...

**Tom Servo** · January 9, 2013, 03:49 PM

We're expected to email questions to the author. These are the three I hope to see posed:

Quote:

If we're to restrict the rights of citizens to own things, there should be some proof of social utility. What proof do you have that banning certain weapons or magazines will reduce gun violence? There is no evidence that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban reduced violent crime, and there were several mass shootings while it was law. How can you be sure a new ban would fare any better?

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There are between 3 and 10 million AR-15 rifles in private possession in the United States. It is safe to say that they are a weapon "in common use," and therefore protected according to the Supreme Court's decision in DC v. Heller. How do you square a ban on such weapons with the Court's ruling?

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The gun control movement in the United States has taken the form of creeping incrementalism. We've repeatedly been forced to accept restrictions without getting anything in return. What is to stop you from enacting even stricter controls if the ones under current consideration fail to stop mass shootings?

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 04:16 PM

Tom - I have submitted two of your three questions so far, but none have been posted in the discussion.

**Spats McGee** · January 9, 2013, 04:18 PM

Up at the top, there's a "comment" button. You can just type in a name, type (or paste) a question and hit submit. No registration required. I'm logged in as Spats.

**Tom Servo** · January 9, 2013, 04:19 PM

I posted some questions, but they haven't been addressed yet.

**Spats McGee** · January 9, 2013, 04:22 PM

Same here, Tom. The doohickey says they're "in moderation." (So they're not doing tequila shots?

)

spacecoast · January 9, 2013, 04:25 PM

Same here, the moderator must be giving "equal time" to both sides or something like that.

**Tom Servo** · January 9, 2013, 04:29 PM

Kline's not willing to be swayed. Consider this observation:

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Chris Raymond --- you are aware Australia never had a right to gun ownership, and that Oz's total crime rate is 7020 per 100k. The number in the US is 3500 per 100k. Violent crime in Oz is about 800 per 100k, in the US it is 350 per 100k.I don't think Oz or the UK which has similar numbers is in ANY WAY a good example for us.

His response?

Quote:

Yes, I am. The Australian legislature banned assault weapons--that is, a specifically defined set of firearms--and there has not been a mass killing in 17 years. They can still hunt, skeet-shoot, go to firing ranges to practice with long guns and hand guns. They just saved probably hundreds of lives without any more than a minor inconvenience. Which is why it rankles me that the NRA wants to avoid even these minor things like a three-minute wait for a clearance at a gun-show sale, just to keep on allowing guns to be sold to potential criminals.

RampantAndroid · January 9, 2013, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Chris Raymond --- you are aware Australia never had a right to gun ownership, and that Oz's total crime rate is 7020 per 100k. The number in the US is 3500 per 100k. Violent crime in Oz is about 800 per 100k, in the US it is 350 per 100k.I don't think Oz or the UK which has similar numbers is in ANY WAY a good example for us.

Hey, that's me!

He's not responding to anything from me, and a bunch of my stuff is stuck in moderation.

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 04:33 PM

Moderator seems to have some inscrutable problem posting any questions I ask..

RampantAndroid · January 9, 2013, 04:35 PM

Yeah, I'm done with this. That, and it's lunchtime. This guy isn't pro gun in any way. And the moderator is terrible.

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 04:41 PM

Despite my best efforts, no questions I posted to the moderator were asked of the Senator... Not one... Every question was on topic and to the point... Typical of the Anti-media...

Much thanks to TFL for helping support our rights!

**Spats McGee** · January 9, 2013, 04:44 PM

I haven't gotten any posted, but I'm still trying. Now, on to my gun buyback arguments!

spacecoast · January 9, 2013, 04:44 PM

I think Phil Watson is doing a good job, seems very well prepared.

P1090 · January 9, 2013, 04:50 PM

My only goal is to get the senator to explain to me how a pistol grip makes a weapon more deadly. After he said this: "...(2) ban semi-automatics with specific characteristics like pistol-grips, that turn them into much more lethal weapons..." I just have to know now.

**Spats McGee** · January 9, 2013, 05:08 PM

P1090, I have the same question.

It's over now and not one of my questions got in. Dagnabbit!

spacecoast · January 9, 2013, 05:10 PM

Quote:

My only goal is to get the senator to explain to me how a pistol grip makes a weapon more deadly.

My question for him was... does that include pistols?

One of my comments got in... I must have posted about 20 questions/comments.

JimDandy · January 9, 2013, 05:13 PM

I was lucky enough to get a couple in, and I tried the pistol grip thing a number of times only to be suck in moderation a couple times..

Even got the first question in about how he justified spending tax dollars on the prevention of 4 murders... And got a sidestep over drive by knifings.

**Tom Servo** · January 9, 2013, 05:37 PM

I asked him the three questions I quoted above. No answers. I asked why a pistol grip would make a gun "more lethal," to quote the Senator. No answer. I then offered to rub his shiny cranium with cocoa butter, to which I received no answer.

Just kidding on that last one.

His responses are educational.

NRA? Tool of the gun lobby. Hi-capacity magazines? Ban 'em because smaller ones will slow rampage shooters down. "Assault" weapons? Constitutional to ban on the grounds of social utility. And, of course, the old standby of "if it only saves one life."

He's been given his talking points, and he's sticking to them.

BGutzman · January 9, 2013, 05:39 PM

Congratulations Jim!

At least you got in a few questions.... Not one thing I asked made it... I must have rattled off ten things of my own and all three of Toms questions that I lead with..

Oh well... It was a earnest try...

JimDandy · January 9, 2013, 05:54 PM

Its somewhat entertaining a Washington State Senator, not even one of our Federal girls, just got bombarded at least a little by a buncha folks from a 2A website that are not only not from his district, but not from his state.

RampantAndroid · January 9, 2013, 06:27 PM

I live in the Redmond, WA area (well, Sammamish) which is less than 30 minutes from Seattle. So this discussion was relevant to me.

January 9, 2013, 03:14 PM	#1
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	Flash - Urgent - Online Discussion with Senator Kline in roughly 1 hour. Sorry for the short notice... In a little less than an hour Senator Kline from Washington state is going to have a online discussion on the following link: http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-gun-activist/ This Senator is very anti gun... Please attend if at all possible.. Time is short.. BGutzman __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 03:40 PM	#2
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	21 minutes left before the start... Please participate if you can! __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 03:42 PM	#3
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 3,405	Is there any kind of registration requirement to participate once the thing starts? __________________ My guns include S&W and Colt revolvers, Colt and Ruger pistols, Remington 870 shotgun, Henry and Marlin .22LR rifles, Hi-Point 9mm carbine and Lancaster Arms AK. I reload handgun rounds with a Lee hand press, over 18K rounds since Nov. 2009 with nary a squib nor kaboom.

January 9, 2013, 03:43 PM	#4
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	I dont see a registration requirement, but I have not used this forum on this discussion site before... __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 04:16 PM	#6
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	Tom - I have submitted two of your three questions so far, but none have been posted in the discussion. __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 04:18 PM	#7
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,346	Up at the top, there's a "comment" button. You can just type in a name, type (or paste) a question and hit submit. No registration required. I'm logged in as Spats. __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

January 9, 2013, 04:19 PM	#8
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalach Posts: 7,133	I posted some questions, but they haven't been addressed yet. __________________ In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer. --Albert Camus

January 9, 2013, 04:22 PM	#9
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,346	Same here, Tom. The doohickey says they're "in moderation." (So they're not doing tequila shots? ) __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

January 9, 2013, 04:25 PM	#10
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 3,405	Same here, the moderator must be giving "equal time" to both sides or something like that. __________________ My guns include S&W and Colt revolvers, Colt and Ruger pistols, Remington 870 shotgun, Henry and Marlin .22LR rifles, Hi-Point 9mm carbine and Lancaster Arms AK. I reload handgun rounds with a Lee hand press, over 18K rounds since Nov. 2009 with nary a squib nor kaboom.

January 9, 2013, 04:33 PM	#13
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	Moderator seems to have some inscrutable problem posting any questions I ask.. __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 04:35 PM	#14
RampantAndroid Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 213	Yeah, I'm done with this. That, and it's lunchtime. This guy isn't pro gun in any way. And the moderator is terrible. __________________ Springfield Armory M1A 22" barrel in SAGE EBR Mod 0 stock Dan Wesson CCO \| S&W Model 58 blued \| S&W Model 29 blued Springfield 1954 M1 Garand \| S&W M&P 15 VTAC 2

January 9, 2013, 04:41 PM	#15
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	Despite my best efforts, no questions I posted to the moderator were asked of the Senator... Not one... Every question was on topic and to the point... Typical of the Anti-media... Much thanks to TFL for helping support our rights! __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 04:44 PM	#16
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,346	I haven't gotten any posted, but I'm still trying. Now, on to my gun buyback arguments! __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

January 9, 2013, 04:50 PM	#18
P1090 Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: NE Ohio/NE Georgia Posts: 42	My only goal is to get the senator to explain to me how a pistol grip makes a weapon more deadly. After he said this: "...(2) ban semi-automatics with specific characteristics like pistol-grips, that turn them into much more lethal weapons..." I just have to know now. __________________ Handgun stopping power is a myth. If you want stopping power, use a Buick.

January 9, 2013, 05:08 PM	#19
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 3,346	P1090, I have the same question. It's over now and not one of my questions got in. Dagnabbit! __________________ A gunfight is not the time to learn new skills. If you ever have a real need for more than a couple of magazines, your problem is not a shortage of magazines. It's a shortage of people on your side of the argument. -- Art Eatman

January 9, 2013, 05:13 PM	#21
JimDandy Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2012 Posts: 1,497	I was lucky enough to get a couple in, and I tried the pistol grip thing a number of times only to be suck in moderation a couple times.. Even got the first question in about how he justified spending tax dollars on the prevention of 4 murders... And got a sidestep over drive by knifings.

January 9, 2013, 05:37 PM	#22
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalach Posts: 7,133	I asked him the three questions I quoted above. No answers. I asked why a pistol grip would make a gun "more lethal," to quote the Senator. No answer. I then offered to rub his shiny cranium with cocoa butter, to which I received no answer. Just kidding on that last one. His responses are educational. NRA? Tool of the gun lobby. Hi-capacity magazines? Ban 'em because smaller ones will slow rampage shooters down. "Assault" weapons? Constitutional to ban on the grounds of social utility. And, of course, the old standby of "if it only saves one life." He's been given his talking points, and he's sticking to them. __________________ In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer. --Albert Camus

January 9, 2013, 05:39 PM	#23
BGutzman Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Frozen Tundra Posts: 2,411	Congratulations Jim! At least you got in a few questions.... Not one thing I asked made it... I must have rattled off ten things of my own and all three of Toms questions that I lead with.. Oh well... It was a earnest try... __________________ Molon Labe

January 9, 2013, 05:54 PM	#24
JimDandy Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2012 Posts: 1,497	Its somewhat entertaining a Washington State Senator, not even one of our Federal girls, just got bombarded at least a little by a buncha folks from a 2A website that are not only not from his district, but not from his state.

January 9, 2013, 06:27 PM	#25
RampantAndroid Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 213	I live in the Redmond, WA area (well, Sammamish) which is less than 30 minutes from Seattle. So this discussion was relevant to me. __________________ Springfield Armory M1A 22" barrel in SAGE EBR Mod 0 stock Dan Wesson CCO \| S&W Model 58 blued \| S&W Model 29 blued Springfield 1954 M1 Garand \| S&W M&P 15 VTAC 2