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Old January 9, 2013, 02:14 PM   #1
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Flash - Urgent - Online Discussion with Senator Kline in roughly 1 hour.

Sorry for the short notice...

In a little less than an hour Senator Kline from Washington state is going to have a online discussion on the following link:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/...-gun-activist/

This Senator is very anti gun... Please attend if at all possible.. Time is short..

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Old January 9, 2013, 02:40 PM   #2
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21 minutes left before the start... Please participate if you can!
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Old January 9, 2013, 02:42 PM   #3
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Is there any kind of registration requirement to participate once the thing starts?
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Old January 9, 2013, 02:43 PM   #4
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I dont see a registration requirement, but I have not used this forum on this discussion site before...
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Old January 9, 2013, 02:49 PM   #5
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We're expected to email questions to the author. These are the three I hope to see posed:

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If we're to restrict the rights of citizens to own things, there should be some proof of social utility. What proof do you have that banning certain weapons or magazines will reduce gun violence? There is no evidence that the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban reduced violent crime, and there were several mass shootings while it was law. How can you be sure a new ban would fare any better?
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There are between 3 and 10 million AR-15 rifles in private possession in the United States. It is safe to say that they are a weapon "in common use," and therefore protected according to the Supreme Court's decision in DC v. Heller. How do you square a ban on such weapons with the Court's ruling?
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The gun control movement in the United States has taken the form of creeping incrementalism. We've repeatedly been forced to accept restrictions without getting anything in return. What is to stop you from enacting even stricter controls if the ones under current consideration fail to stop mass shootings?
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:16 PM   #6
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Tom - I have submitted two of your three questions so far, but none have been posted in the discussion.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:18 PM   #7
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Up at the top, there's a "comment" button. You can just type in a name, type (or paste) a question and hit submit. No registration required. I'm logged in as Spats.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:19 PM   #8
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I posted some questions, but they haven't been addressed yet.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:22 PM   #9
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Same here, Tom. The doohickey says they're "in moderation." (So they're not doing tequila shots? )
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:25 PM   #10
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Same here, the moderator must be giving "equal time" to both sides or something like that.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:29 PM   #11
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Kline's not willing to be swayed. Consider this observation:

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Chris Raymond --- you are aware Australia never had a right to gun ownership, and that Oz's total crime rate is 7020 per 100k. The number in the US is 3500 per 100k. Violent crime in Oz is about 800 per 100k, in the US it is 350 per 100k.I don't think Oz or the UK which has similar numbers is in ANY WAY a good example for us.
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Yes, I am. The Australian legislature banned assault weapons--that is, a specifically defined set of firearms--and there has not been a mass killing in 17 years. They can still hunt, skeet-shoot, go to firing ranges to practice with long guns and hand guns. They just saved probably hundreds of lives without any more than a minor inconvenience. Which is why it rankles me that the NRA wants to avoid even these minor things like a three-minute wait for a clearance at a gun-show sale, just to keep on allowing guns to be sold to potential criminals.
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Chris Raymond --- you are aware Australia never had a right to gun ownership, and that Oz's total crime rate is 7020 per 100k. The number in the US is 3500 per 100k. Violent crime in Oz is about 800 per 100k, in the US it is 350 per 100k.I don't think Oz or the UK which has similar numbers is in ANY WAY a good example for us.
Hey, that's me!

He's not responding to anything from me, and a bunch of my stuff is stuck in moderation.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:33 PM   #13
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Moderator seems to have some inscrutable problem posting any questions I ask..
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:35 PM   #14
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Yeah, I'm done with this. That, and it's lunchtime. This guy isn't pro gun in any way. And the moderator is terrible.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:41 PM   #15
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Despite my best efforts, no questions I posted to the moderator were asked of the Senator... Not one... Every question was on topic and to the point... Typical of the Anti-media...

Much thanks to TFL for helping support our rights!
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:44 PM   #16
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I haven't gotten any posted, but I'm still trying. Now, on to my gun buyback arguments!
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:44 PM   #17
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I think Phil Watson is doing a good job, seems very well prepared.
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Old January 9, 2013, 03:50 PM   #18
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My only goal is to get the senator to explain to me how a pistol grip makes a weapon more deadly. After he said this: "...(2) ban semi-automatics with specific characteristics like pistol-grips, that turn them into much more lethal weapons..." I just have to know now.
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Old January 9, 2013, 04:08 PM   #19
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P1090, I have the same question.

It's over now and not one of my questions got in. Dagnabbit!
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Old January 9, 2013, 04:10 PM   #20
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My only goal is to get the senator to explain to me how a pistol grip makes a weapon more deadly.
My question for him was... does that include pistols?

One of my comments got in... I must have posted about 20 questions/comments.
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Old January 9, 2013, 04:13 PM   #21
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I was lucky enough to get a couple in, and I tried the pistol grip thing a number of times only to be suck in moderation a couple times..

Even got the first question in about how he justified spending tax dollars on the prevention of 4 murders... And got a sidestep over drive by knifings.
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Old January 9, 2013, 04:37 PM   #22
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I asked him the three questions I quoted above. No answers. I asked why a pistol grip would make a gun "more lethal," to quote the Senator. No answer. I then offered to rub his shiny cranium with cocoa butter, to which I received no answer.

Just kidding on that last one.

His responses are educational.

NRA? Tool of the gun lobby. Hi-capacity magazines? Ban 'em because smaller ones will slow rampage shooters down. "Assault" weapons? Constitutional to ban on the grounds of social utility. And, of course, the old standby of "if it only saves one life."

He's been given his talking points, and he's sticking to them.
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Old January 9, 2013, 04:39 PM   #23
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Congratulations Jim!

At least you got in a few questions.... Not one thing I asked made it... I must have rattled off ten things of my own and all three of Toms questions that I lead with..

Oh well... It was a earnest try...
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Old January 9, 2013, 04:54 PM   #24
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Its somewhat entertaining a Washington State Senator, not even one of our Federal girls, just got bombarded at least a little by a buncha folks from a 2A website that are not only not from his district, but not from his state.
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I live in the Redmond, WA area (well, Sammamish) which is less than 30 minutes from Seattle. So this discussion was relevant to me.
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