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Old January 16, 2013, 09:34 PM   #1
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ID 1890s Small Ring Mauser?

Title says it all....some marks are a E with a circle and a giant x under mag area how do I post pics its not working

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Old January 16, 2013, 10:05 PM   #2
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more pics

Here are some more...somfar its a small ring rebarre.led to .243
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Old January 16, 2013, 10:07 PM   #3
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more pics

Yess I was able to upload...so hereare some more
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Old January 16, 2013, 10:19 PM   #4
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Welcome to TFL, Louvier.

Given the disparate nature of the firearms in the first set of posts vs your rifle, it would have been much better had you started a new thread.

I've moved your posts into their own thread with the proper title, which will draw more attention and, hopefully, answers.
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Old January 16, 2013, 10:56 PM   #5
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It looks like an 1893 Spanish Mauser, possibly not the best choice for a high intensity cartridge like the .243, but if you keep loads reasonable, it should be OK. The safety has been altered, possibly to fit under a scope.

Are there any markings on the receiver ring?

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Old January 17, 2013, 09:59 AM   #6
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no marking i can see except the e and the x

1893? Thanks is there anyway to tell anything about the serial number? All of the metal seems nice andsturdy, ive put 60 rounds thuu it allready it seems fine. I did sandbag it and shot the first box inspecting each shell for expansion and odd mark...nothing so im getting to trust it. Im still amazed that a gun that old is still functioning so well. Any advise on customization to increase the value? Is it worth anything.
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Old January 17, 2013, 10:13 AM   #7
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is 243 a common round for these.

What is the max grain I should use, is that what you mean? Im sorry this is my first rifle and of course I had to get a customized gun that is 120 years old....but looks like its from the 60s lol.. thank you for helping me out on this and thanks for putting my thread inthe right area to be seen.
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Old January 17, 2013, 11:15 AM   #8
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You have what was originally a cock-on-closing Mauser 1893 (Model 93) as made, usually in 7x57, for the military of Chile, Spain & Turkey.

It doesn't have the safety improvements of the later, cock-on-opening Mauser 1898 (Model 98), and will eventually suffer under even factory ammo - as owners sadly found out with the specimens altered to 7.62NATO, which is a low-powered .308 Winchester, the parent cartridge of the .243 Win.

Yours has had the flag safety lowered & elongated, and the triggerguard bow tapered (front to rear), along with the custom stock.

The trigger looks to be the original non-adjustable military issue.


What's done is done, and as posted above, you are well advised to keep your handloads low & slow.


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Old January 17, 2013, 01:18 PM   #9
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so is it safer lol?

What should I look for or do saftey wise and how many grains max
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Old January 17, 2013, 02:36 PM   #10
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Hodgdon lists 8 gr of Trailboss behind a 100 gr Speer, that should be pretty save...
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Old January 17, 2013, 03:07 PM   #11
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You show a sporting rifle built on the 1916 Spanish Mauser. It is the 1893 design with oval gas escape port and thumb notch for easier stripper clip loading.

The various stamp marks you show are what I call stamps applied by men long dead for records long lost. Is there a crest or anything on the receiver ring?

Does the .243 marking mean it is now barrelled in .243 Winchester instead of 7mm Mauser? If so, it amounts to a +P loading with factory ammunition.
If you are a handloader, a manual starting load will give you .250 Savage velocity at 7mm pressures and be easier on the old action.
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Old January 17, 2013, 04:02 PM   #12
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Any factory load will be (IMHO) too hot for that old rifle. If you handload, get a loading manual, don't use info from a buddy or the internet. And, as noted, use the low starting loads, not the maximums.

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Old January 17, 2013, 04:13 PM   #13
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nothing on the reciever

And yes it shoots a .243 winchester perfectly cycles like a new gun and has a very strong firing pin snap when dry fired. The floor plate has a push pin but wont drop the plate at all. Any idea what it is worth?
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Old January 17, 2013, 08:22 PM   #14
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Well, lets see now.
It is unfinished and it is on an action not recommended for the caliber.

Resale value is low. It is all yours.
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Old February 5, 2013, 10:27 PM   #15
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louvier

when pushing the pin for the floorplate, you need to push the floorplate rearward simultaneously, and it should drop out. As far as loads, the 243 starts at pressures where the original loadings stop for those mausers, I have two of them 1893 long rifle & 1895 carbine and keep the pressures at 44,000 CUP (7x57) and below, they perform wonderfully and are pretty accurate for 80+ year old guns (mine were made in the 30's).
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