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Old January 1, 2013, 04:36 PM   #26
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I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.
Maybe some Northeastrn states or Califorina, but that wouldn't fly with most Southern or Midwest states, I just can't see people letting them get away with that.
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Old January 1, 2013, 04:51 PM   #27
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Yeah I agree that's going to far. Magazines are property That's not going to fly very well in pro-gun states.
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Old January 1, 2013, 05:04 PM   #28
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They'll get away with whatever they want to. Someone told me "they cant completely ban 30 round mags, there are billions of them out there...what are they going to do, go door to door?" If they ban hi cap magazines nation wide, and put a heavy fine and or jail time for being caught with one...How many people will stiff upper lip it? Rr will they get in the mile long lines at Law Enforcement offices and drop them in garbage cans?

The way this country is going, you think they will really have to compensate you for anything? They'll compensate you all right....Thank you for your contributions sir!... would you like pepperoni, cheese or the wal-mart card?

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Old January 1, 2013, 05:10 PM   #29
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I know this is titles ARs but aqny legislation will include much more. My son said today "I think I should buy an auto shotgun". He related he has wanted one for a long time. He likes to duck/goose hunt.

I suggested that would probably be a good idea. The economy is down, people sell all kinds of stuff to pay bills and new ones will definitely be on the upswing.
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Old January 1, 2013, 05:18 PM   #30
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Will it (ever) get back to this? This was in June when I bought my VTAC.

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Old January 1, 2013, 05:27 PM   #31
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Heck that was even high for early last spring. A nicely equipped RRA was about $840. Complete Spikes AR15s were selling at a LGS for $699-$780 I bought two RRA stripped lowers for $75 each at the Indy 1500 and two YHM stripped lowers online for $110 each shipped including the that price includes the transfer fee I had to pay.


this makes me sad or want to puke...maybe both.
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Old January 1, 2013, 05:31 PM   #32
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Indy 1500?
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Old January 1, 2013, 05:38 PM   #33
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The famed Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show. Biggest show this side of the Mississippi river. Used to be a complete treasure trove of guns, ammo and surplus. It's been declining over the years




I hope they don't get any of this through...if they do we're
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Old January 1, 2013, 05:50 PM   #34
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I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.
If it does happen like that (and I doubt it), it will not be quick and cheap. It will be messy. And expensive.
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Old January 1, 2013, 08:04 PM   #35
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I'd like to check that out someday.
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Old January 1, 2013, 08:42 PM   #36
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I really believe the American Congress will call for a confiscation, and unlike in Australia, there won’t be any compensation or fair compensation to gun owners. It will be done quick and cheap.
Confiscation, I wouldn't think so? If so, maybe they'll send the goons from the UN to collect?
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Old January 1, 2013, 08:44 PM   #37
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I don't believe there will be anything done with an AW ban. There are just too many people that own semi autos for the government to confiscate. My uncle was a long time Ft Worth policeman and 20 years ago he said the government could never get the guns off the streets.

There is simply no reason to panic yet. Some of the posters in this thread act like they already have two black eyes and a bloody nose and there hasn't even been a fight yet. Contact your reps and congressmen. Get off the gun forums and get to work with emails and tell them that you oppose a gun ban. That is job one for me next week. I will do my part. I did it in 1994 and will do it again.
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Old January 1, 2013, 08:56 PM   #38
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Contact your reps and congressmen. Get off the gun forums and get to work with emails and tell them that you oppose a gun ban. That is job one for me next week. I will do my part. I did it in 1994 and will do it again.
Excellent point! This should be everyones focus..
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Old January 1, 2013, 09:26 PM   #39
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Thanks Mitranoc. Here is a link to make it easy for everyone of us. In this day we can write a short, and short is better, letter, copy and paste it to each rep. It should be fast and easy. When I did it before it was a hand written letter that required a stamp. Now its free to do if you will just take 10-15 minutes to do so. I can promise you the other side has their own letter writing campain. Guys this is for the gold.

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Old January 1, 2013, 09:38 PM   #40
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Thanks Mitranoc. Here is a link to make it easy for everyone of us. In this day we can write a short, and short is better, letter, copy and paste it to each rep. It should be fast and easy. When I did it before it was a hand written letter that required a stamp. Now its free to do if you will just take 10-15 minutes to do so. I can promise you the other side has their own letter writing campain. Guys this is for the gold.

http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-l...your-reps.aspx

ratshooter - thanks for the link. on it..
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Old January 1, 2013, 09:44 PM   #41
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I've been plagiarizing the heck out of people on this forum . Every time somebody makes a good articulate point about gun control .I copy and paste it in a E-mail to my reps like I thought of it myself .

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Old January 2, 2013, 12:28 PM   #42
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Indications

With the recent rash of anti-gun proposals, some being so far out there that they want registration to buy ammunition, there is no telling just where this will all go. I feel the best way to stop any of it, is to fight all of it and accept none of it.

That said...

I just recently went to four gun shows in the great State of Virginia over the past month. Each week the shows were becoming less and less guns shows, and more becoming handgun and accessory shows. The show just prior to Christmas, held in Doswell, VA, was very well attended. However, there just was very limited rifles of the semiautomatic variety. Many of these dealers had just been at two of the previous week's shows I attended, and their inventory had dwindled while the buying glut raged on.

Now, the problem we created is that with Feinstein (confiscation) like threats, Bloomberg type antics (can't he just stick to banning soda and super sized fast food), and our buying frenzy, dealers, and no doubt soon manufacturers, will be raising prices quickly. In fact, a typical 30 round 5.56 MAGPUL magazine went from 16 to 40 bucks in the span of a week by the same vendors at these shows, with very limited availability, and.... they were all bought up within the first couple of hours of the show.

I get that demand also creates a price point, and while I am glad gas price is down so I can afford the increase in gun/ammo price, my concern is what is the gun/ammo value? When simple 5.56 is closing rapidly in on $1 per round and bulk sellers are out of stock, what is really going on?

Lastly, I shoot a few 22 LR rifles and pistols, because any type of practice is good practice and the 22 LR isn't that bad on top of that, we are starting to see even this small caliber becoming unavailable. Especially the CCI version of the Velocitor, Stinger and Mini Mag.

In closing, the value is likely going way up on all of the firearms we currently own as long as we maintain them. Ammunition likewise is a premium, because a firearm is pointless without it. The value will be maintained, and by the week, increase. As legislation becomes more on the forefront (the fiscal cliff isn't even fixed, just band aided) the prices will sky rocket, availability will still be hit and miss and our values will soar.

Lock them up, keep them maintained and shoot often to stay in good practice. The best defense is a strong offense. Guns don't kill people, poor legislation does.
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Old January 3, 2013, 07:32 PM   #43
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some sound like the fight is already over. find the numbers to your state senators, congressman and even your state governor and call them and express your displeasure with a ban. finding the numbers is easy and I got a real person on the phone each time. Oh yea join the nra if not already a member. keep the pressure on and be heard! I only have bb guns but if I had an ar it might get stolen out of my truck and sold.
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Old January 3, 2013, 07:42 PM   #44
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some sound like the fight is already over. find the numbers to your state senators, congressman and even your state governor and call them and express your displeasure with a ban. finding the numbers is easy and I got a real person on the phone each time. Oh yea join the nra if not already a member. keep the pressure on and be heard! I only have bb guns but if I had an ar it might get stolen out of my truck and sold.
Exactly! I emailed both of my state senators and congressman last night. This needs to happen from everyone...keep spreading the word.


Speaking of BB guns, I don't recall seeing the Drozd Blackbird, etc. on Feinstein's list.
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Old January 3, 2013, 08:01 PM   #45
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What do I think? I think it will take a bit of patience and the public/government is going to move on to the latest Issue of the Moment. I think the gun grab-everything-at-all-cost extremists will hoot and holler and try to keep the issue in the forefront, and lose in the long run. They may make some gain, but I don't believe it's going to be the Firearmegedon that many seem to believe.

Price problems are our fault. People have panicked and bought everything in sight and the ONLY political thing that has happened so far is a bunch of rhetoric. If anyone should have learned ANYTHING by now, it's that our government moves at a pace that would make a turtle look like The Flash.

In short, at this point people have freaked out over nothing and have served mainly to clear the shelves, line the pockets of opportunistic people/companies, drive prices through the roof, and give manufacturers an excuse to keep those prices elevated.

I watched a guy today at my LGS drop just short of $2,500 on a bare bones, box stock Colt in 9mm. I know for a fact that prior to this fiasco the Colt version of this rifle with all the Magpul goodies was on the shelves for just shy of half that money. I know because I'd had my eye on it and hesitated one day too long and missed out.

All this because of what MIGHT happen...at some undetermined date in the future.

Personally, I'd rather this post, this thread, and most threads like it that seem to be full of mostly conjecture, would be locked/deleted. I feel they serve little to no purpose.
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Old January 3, 2013, 08:48 PM   #46
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I took an oath--a few times over. It stated that I would support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The people in DC would do very well to remember the last time that was tried on these shores.

The British Army sent a detachment to confiscate arms, powder and shot from a group of colonials.

They went to a small town called Concord; in front of them were some Colonists--who stood armed and ready.

On April 19, 1775, one Major John Pitcairn, second in command of the British, said--in an effort to prevent bloodshed:

"Disperse, you damned rebels! Disperse!"

I believe we all know how that worked out.

In the ensuing contretemps, the United States of America was born--in bloody revolution. Some of those colonists were our Founding Fathers. They authored our Constitution, and enumerated and recognized certain rights, which were noted as our Bill of Rights.

One of those rights is the Second Amendment. It was never about sporting purposes. In short--our Founding Fathers knew that the only way to ensure our continuing freedom was to ensure that our citizens were armed.

I have seldom seen a more thorough articulation of what our firearms mean than an opinion, authored by a Justice of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, cited here in an excerpt:

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The majority falls prey to the delusion — popular in some circles — that ordinary people are too careless and stupid to own guns, and we would be far better off leaving all weapons in the hands of professionals on the government payroll. But the simple truth — born of experience — is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people. Our own sorry history bears this out: Disarmament was the tool of choice for subjugating both slaves and free blacks in the South. In Florida, patrols searched blacks' homes for weapons, confiscated those found and punished their owners without judicial process. See Robert J. Cottrol & Raymond T. Diamond, The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration, 80 Geo. L.J. 309, 338 (1991). In the North, by contrast, blacks exercised their right to bear arms to defend against racial mob violence. Id. at 341-42. As Chief Justice Taney well appreciated, the institution of slavery required a class of people who lacked the means to resist. See Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. (19 How.) 393, 417, 15 L.Ed. 691 (1857) (finding black citizenship unthinkable because it would give blacks the right to "keep and carry arms wherever they went"). A revolt by Nat Turner and a few dozen other armed blacks could be put down without much difficulty; one by four million armed blacks would have meant big trouble.

All too many of the other great tragedies of history — Stalin's atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Holocaust, to name but a few — were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. 570*570 Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia Act required here. See Kleinfeld Dissent at 578-579. If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wehrmacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars.

My excellent colleagues have forgotten these bitter lessons of history. The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed — where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
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--Silveira v. Lockyer, 328 F. 3d 567 - Court of Appeals, 9th Circuit 2003

Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake. I will NOT lay down my arms. Nor will I yield them. Nor will I participate in any activity to unlawfully confiscate these arms.

And any one who wants, can take that as they will. I am an American, not a subject. I bow to no one. Too many good men and women have laid their lives upon the cause of freedom for me to yield without a whimper.

I have faith, still, that our differences can be resolved at the legislative and judicial level. I have faith that we can change our circumstances with the rule of law, and by the ballot box as long as we exercise our right to vote.

But I am an American. And to simply roll over and show my belly in the face of this is not in my nature, nor in my upbringing. I will not let some petty, scared people dictate my future nor my actions. I--and my son, and my wife--are Americans. We will not forget nor abrogate that privilege.

For those who wish to do so, please--go to this site's library, and read the essay "Metal and Wood" by Dennis Bateman. We have not lost yet, my fellow citizens. Let's stop acting like we have.
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Everything thats talked about does not need a purpose . Sometimes it's just friends and or people with a common interest talking .

I really get bummed sometimes when the mods close things that get long winded or what ever . Sometimes it turns in to people just having a conversation .
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Metal God:

I agree, to a point. Sometimes mods can get a little gung-ho keeping things on topic. Not just here, but in most any forum covering any subject.

Any subject, no matter how much you're into it, can get a bit stale if that's all you're allowed to talk about. A little off-topic discourse can act as a bit of a, break if you will.

With that said I think certain things are just better off left alone. For me this is one of those conversations since, to me, it does little except to feed into fear, and has the potential for a negative impact. Fear of things that may or may not happen, basic on little more than conjecture, and a lot of that driven by individual fears which themselves may have no factual basis.

Aaaaanyway, how 'bout that weather?
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I did, as well.....

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The topic was "Future Value of AR-15s if Permanent AWB Actually Enacted".

I took an oath. The value of that AR is 0$, because if that happens, it is PRICELESS. It will likely cost me all I love, my Life, my Fortune ...... all but my Sacred Honor .... it was "All Enemies, Foreign AND Domestic......"
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