CCW a cap & ball?

Nathan · December 25, 2012, 07:27 PM

If things continue as they are going, would you CCW a cap & ball revolver?

The reloads are crap, but I can hit pretty well with my 1858 Army. You definately need to make hits! A bug would be important.

Hawg Haggen · December 25, 2012, 07:37 PM

If I had no other choice I would and would be confident in it.

Old Grump · December 25, 2012, 08:00 PM

CCW is out of the question but I wouldn't really have to shoot anything more than once.

Beagle333 · December 25, 2012, 08:26 PM

And....if you were to miss....you've created your own smokescreen for a nice getaway!

Old Grump · December 25, 2012, 08:30 PM

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And....if you were to miss....you've created your own smokescreen for a nice getaway!

Watcha talkin bout Willis?

Actually if I missed I could fire 3 more times and have enough time to reload one of the guns as long as it wasn't to windy.

Miss????

mete · December 25, 2012, 08:31 PM

In the old days military revolvers were often sold and carried with a spare cylinder for quick reloads.Civil War was the time when cavalry sabers where obsolete. They carried as much as six revolver instead !
Of course today some carry a "NY reload" ,that is an extra revolver .

Old Grump · December 25, 2012, 08:34 PM

That's why I paired up, I'm to old to be swinging sabers, cutlasses and rapiers anymore. Them days are 30 years behind me.

Beagle333 · December 25, 2012, 08:36 PM

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Of course today some carry a "NY reload" ,that is an extra revolver .

That's the first time I've ever hear that.

Neat.

Hawg Haggen · December 25, 2012, 09:33 PM

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In the old days military revolvers were often sold and carried with a spare cylinder for quick reloads.

Umm, no, they weren't. Military revolvers were sold in the crate with a few screwdrivers and one spare nipple for every revolver.

Shotgun693 · December 27, 2012, 11:09 PM

I have carried my Colt SAA or a clone on occasion. They have a nice reassuring heft that a little gun lacks.

Noz · December 28, 2012, 01:57 PM

They would work for CCW but there are so many better choices out there.

Vireye · December 28, 2012, 02:48 PM

I'd be concerned about it, not because I doubt the weapon or your capabilities with it, but because of the potential issues.

I believe it was as long as a year ago, but a man was shot and killed with a cap and ball revolved in the northeast (I want to say michigan or the like...I'll try to find the article!).

The media got ahold of the fact that they don't need to be registered, and it caused a stink for a short while.

Obviously it died down and disappeared, but with the current state of things, I'd be worried that if you were ever seen with it, or, God forbid, forced to use it, it would open the floodgates for more regulations regarding our beloved black powder firearms.

Old Grump · December 28, 2012, 07:16 PM

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Obviously it died down and disappeared, but with the current state of things, I'd be worried that if you were ever seen with it, or, God forbid, forced to use it, it would open the floodgates for more regulations regarding our beloved black powder firearms.

Are you saying if it was all you had and you needed to shoot to defend yourself you would not shoot in order to keep the reputation of black powder guns unsullied?

Remember all the wars we were in before the French developed smokeless powder, remember Wild Bill Hickock and his little 36 caliber. I think it's pretty well established that cap and ball revolvers are deadly.

**4V50 Gary** · December 28, 2012, 07:18 PM

Old Grump - those are nice holsters you have for your Walkers.

woodnbow · December 28, 2012, 08:36 PM

A lady rancher in the area used a .44 revolver to kill her ex. She was charged but aquitted in his death. One round ball center mass was all it took.

brazosdave · December 31, 2012, 12:04 PM

If it was all I had available, I've always felt that any gun is better than no gun. Most of my b.p revolvers, with the exception of the .31, are a bit bulky to try and carry around concealed though. that's why I usually just stick my derringer in my pocket, even my 9mm and my .357 are a bit bulky.

RevGeo · December 31, 2012, 01:44 PM

I pack my .36 Navy around with me when I'm fishing or hiking. I usually shoot it once a week or so just to keep fresh loads in it. I'd carry it concealed if I wanted to pack a gun in social situations. For a long time it was my only handgun and I never felt under-gunned with it. With a cylinder full of FFF its close enough to a .38Sp for me.

bedbugbilly · January 1, 2013, 01:47 PM

Just curious . . . for you guys that are going to carry one CCW - and carry it "concealed" so it doesn't "print" . . . . how are you going to do it? Ankle holster, on the belt, shoulder or just tuck it in the back int he waistline? I make holsters as a hobby . . . this opens up a whole new market . . . I think the first in my line of CCW holsters will be a nice form fitted ankle holster for a Walker.

BirchOrr · January 1, 2013, 02:28 PM

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I think the first in my line of CCW holsters will be a nice form fitted ankle holster for a Walker.

LOL!!!

Now that'd make a feller walk with a gimp now wouldn't it.

B

Beagle333 · January 1, 2013, 02:38 PM

Me an IdahoMike did at-one-time toy with the idea of carrying a 1860 up as high as possible (to be hidden under a jacket or maybe a flannel overshirt) and still be "drawable".

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...ight=high+ride

IDAHOMIKE · January 1, 2013, 03:23 PM

Beagle,
I still use that leather from time to time. I don't use the 1860 as much anymore. Now instead of walking out the back door to unload for fresh charges, I have to drive out to the shootin' pit.
To the original question, I have and will continue to use a Cap n ball as a carry piece. Not a regular one, but one none the less. In fact Ive got a snub 1860 that I have 100% faith in and am in the process of building a pancake holster for it.

robhof · January 1, 2013, 08:21 PM

I used to open carry my stainless ROA in Miami when boating or night fishing. Got bothered by the marine patrol, but the law is they're not pistols and I got away with warnings that I was looking for trouble, and I always replied that I was aiming to end trouble. This was in the mid 80's and I was stationed at Homestead AFB. Went night fishing with some buddies one evening and some thugs were harassing all the fishermen til they got to me and I pulled back my jacket to show my cowboy rig, they ran and several fishermen started clapping, that was the 1st time I wore it, didn't leave home without it after that.

Delmar · January 1, 2013, 10:03 PM

Concealed carry, no! Open carry, you bet!

WildBill45 · January 2, 2013, 09:36 PM

Trust me, a pair of Colts or even one will still kill as well as they did back in the day. We are no more bullet proof than back then!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGYu235vgE

Tons of fun nonetheless...

prm · January 3, 2013, 10:52 PM

Been shooting Colt 2nd Generations since the early 80s. During that time I have carried these from time to time and probably will again. My favorite is the Pocket Police. I'm very meticulous in both cleaning and loading and have had very few problems with reliability. They shoot a little high from point of aim, but with practice they are plenty accurate enough to take an occasional rabbit. It is very safe to say, the history of these gun have proven their effectiveness.

Are there better choices - absolutely. But, they do work.

The pre-ban elephant ivory grips were my upgrade.

December 25, 2012, 07:27 PM	#1
Nathan Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2001 Posts: 1,259	CCW a cap & ball? If things continue as they are going, would you CCW a cap & ball revolver? The reloads are crap, but I can hit pretty well with my 1858 Army. You definately need to make hits! A bug would be important.

December 25, 2012, 07:37 PM	#2
Hawg Haggen Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 10,225	If I had no other choice I would and would be confident in it. __________________ http://blackpowdertimes.com/index.php

December 25, 2012, 08:00 PM	#3
Old Grump Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in a little hut in the woods Posts: 3,124	CCW is out of the question but I wouldn't really have to shoot anything more than once. __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

December 25, 2012, 08:31 PM	#6
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 4,936	In the old days military revolvers were often sold and carried with a spare cylinder for quick reloads.Civil War was the time when cavalry sabers where obsolete. They carried as much as six revolver instead ! Of course today some carry a "NY reload" ,that is an extra revolver . __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

December 25, 2012, 08:34 PM	#7
Old Grump Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in a little hut in the woods Posts: 3,124	That's why I paired up, I'm to old to be swinging sabers, cutlasses and rapiers anymore. Them days are 30 years behind me. __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

December 25, 2012, 08:26 PM	#4
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Back in the woods a piece Posts: 739	And....if you were to miss....you've created your own smokescreen for a nice getaway!

December 27, 2012, 11:09 PM	#10
Shotgun693 Senior Member Join Date: September 3, 2011 Location: Poteet, Texas Posts: 959	I have carried my Colt SAA or a clone on occasion. They have a nice reassuring heft that a little gun lacks.

December 28, 2012, 01:57 PM	#11
Noz Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 585	They would work for CCW but there are so many better choices out there.

December 28, 2012, 02:48 PM	#12
Vireye Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2012 Location: Seymour, CT Posts: 136	I'd be concerned about it, not because I doubt the weapon or your capabilities with it, but because of the potential issues. I believe it was as long as a year ago, but a man was shot and killed with a cap and ball revolved in the northeast (I want to say michigan or the like...I'll try to find the article!). The media got ahold of the fact that they don't need to be registered, and it caused a stink for a short while. Obviously it died down and disappeared, but with the current state of things, I'd be worried that if you were ever seen with it, or, God forbid, forced to use it, it would open the floodgates for more regulations regarding our beloved black powder firearms.

December 28, 2012, 07:18 PM	#14
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 15,411	Old Grump - those are nice holsters you have for your Walkers. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 28, 2012, 08:36 PM	#15
woodnbow Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2012 Posts: 114	A lady rancher in the area used a .44 revolver to kill her ex. She was charged but aquitted in his death. One round ball center mass was all it took.

December 31, 2012, 12:04 PM	#16
brazosdave Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2012 Location: Copperas Cove, TX Posts: 248	If it was all I had available, I've always felt that any gun is better than no gun. Most of my b.p revolvers, with the exception of the .31, are a bit bulky to try and carry around concealed though. that's why I usually just stick my derringer in my pocket, even my 9mm and my .357 are a bit bulky. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry, it's just my game"

December 31, 2012, 01:44 PM	#17
RevGeo Senior Member Join Date: September 18, 2011 Location: North Idaho Posts: 145	I pack my .36 Navy around with me when I'm fishing or hiking. I usually shoot it once a week or so just to keep fresh loads in it. I'd carry it concealed if I wanted to pack a gun in social situations. For a long time it was my only handgun and I never felt under-gunned with it. With a cylinder full of FFF its close enough to a .38Sp for me.

January 1, 2013, 01:47 PM	#18
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 1,318	Just curious . . . for you guys that are going to carry one CCW - and carry it "concealed" so it doesn't "print" . . . . how are you going to do it? Ankle holster, on the belt, shoulder or just tuck it in the back int he waistline? I make holsters as a hobby . . . this opens up a whole new market . . . I think the first in my line of CCW holsters will be a nice form fitted ankle holster for a Walker. __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

January 1, 2013, 02:38 PM	#20
Beagle333 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2012 Location: Back in the woods a piece Posts: 739	it ain't perfect.... but you can do it.. Me an IdahoMike did at-one-time toy with the idea of carrying a 1860 up as high as possible (to be hidden under a jacket or maybe a flannel overshirt) and still be "drawable". http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...ight=high+ride

January 1, 2013, 03:23 PM	#21
IDAHOMIKE Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2007 Location: Gooding, ID Posts: 343	Beagle, I still use that leather from time to time. I don't use the 1860 as much anymore. Now instead of walking out the back door to unload for fresh charges, I have to drive out to the shootin' pit. To the original question, I have and will continue to use a Cap n ball as a carry piece. Not a regular one, but one none the less. In fact Ive got a snub 1860 that I have 100% faith in and am in the process of building a pancake holster for it. __________________ Need some top notch gunleather? Please check out my facebook page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/A-T...05958232763057 and my website at http://atouchofyellowleatherwerkes.weebly.com/ 10% discount for TFL members. Thanks for looking!

January 1, 2013, 08:21 PM	#22
robhof Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2007 Posts: 636	robhof I used to open carry my stainless ROA in Miami when boating or night fishing. Got bothered by the marine patrol, but the law is they're not pistols and I got away with warnings that I was looking for trouble, and I always replied that I was aiming to end trouble. This was in the mid 80's and I was stationed at Homestead AFB. Went night fishing with some buddies one evening and some thugs were harassing all the fishermen til they got to me and I pulled back my jacket to show my cowboy rig, they ran and several fishermen started clapping, that was the 1st time I wore it, didn't leave home without it after that.

January 1, 2013, 10:03 PM	#23
Delmar Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2009 Location: Norhthern Indiana Posts: 303	Concealed carry, no! Open carry, you bet!

January 2, 2013, 09:36 PM	#24
WildBill45 Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2011 Location: Western PA. Posts: 1,206	Trust me, a pair of Colts or even one will still kill as well as they did back in the day. We are no more bullet proof than back then!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGYu235vgE Tons of fun nonetheless... __________________ ......................................................... "If Ands and Buts were Candy and Nuts, everyday would be like Christmas"