gun safes...false advertizing

tahunua001 · December 23, 2012, 08:34 PM

am I the only person in the world that can't seem to fit 36 guns in a 36 gun safe? I have 4 hand guns and 16 long guns and my safe is stuffed, I guess this is the universe telling me to stop buying until my tetris skills get better.

Alabama Shooter · December 23, 2012, 09:08 PM

When I bought my safe the seller told me that 30 rifles would fit under perfect conditions with the scopes removed and no magazines sticking out, no attachments attached and whatever. He then tried to sell me a bigger safe even though I had way fewer than 30.

I have no where near that and the safe is getting crowded.

shootniron · December 23, 2012, 09:11 PM

I have 54 guns in one of our 40 gun...but you have to be CAREFULE when opening the door,

tahunua001 · December 23, 2012, 09:13 PM

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I have 54 guns in one of our 40 gun...but you have to be CAREFULE when opening the door,

must all be handguns

shootniron · December 23, 2012, 09:22 PM

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must all be handguns

No, but we do have some shotguns in there...and it is creatively stacked.

geetarman · December 24, 2012, 07:50 AM

I have a Fort Knox 44 gun safe. I don't think anyone could fit that many rifles in there.

I got the larger safe so I could separate the wood stocks from the composite/AR style.

kraigwy · December 24, 2012, 10:24 AM

I have a 48 gun, safe, the only way you can get 48 long guns in it is to remove the scopes and bolts. It can be done but not practical.

I figure for 48 long guns, I MIGHT get by two 48 gun safes.

Regardless, I think its an un-written law that the gun you want to use today has to be in the back of the safe.

Heavy Metal 1 · December 24, 2012, 10:52 AM

I think they rate them as if they contained only lever actions w/o scopes.

Lunicy · December 24, 2012, 11:27 AM

you can get 48 guns in a 48 gun safe. You just jam them in.
48 bulldogs, neos, and snub noses would probably fit.

I think they should advertise:

48 guns, if you dont care about damaging and scratching them.
24 if you actually care about your guns.

Willie Lowman · December 24, 2012, 11:35 AM

I have been giving serious thought to one of those racks that lets me store my handguns standing up with the grip facing out. Something like this one,

There are issues with the size and shape of several of my long and short-long guns. My .308 takes up the space of three rifles with it's oversized bolt handle, scope and McMillan stock. My SBR and SBSs aren't tall enough to fit into the racks so they must lean against the sides and the back. To avoid bumping guns against each other in the safe, I have had to sacrifice a few spaces around the guns that get shot the most often.

**James K** · December 24, 2012, 09:27 PM

Sort of like how many people can get in a NY subway car. It depends on how big the guys are who are pushing them in.

Jim

jimbob86 · December 24, 2012, 10:08 PM

I have seen it go to both extremes ..... saw a guy with a "48 gun safe", with 60 .22 cal target rifles in it.

My own safe says it will hold 16 guns .... there's 1/2 that in there, and any more would have to be subcompact pistols .....

TMD · December 24, 2012, 10:11 PM

Problem is your not utilizing the safe properly. First remove all shelving then lay the safe on its back. Now you can easily stack and pack the advertised amount of guns.

Txhillbilly · December 24, 2012, 10:20 PM

Yes,But it's a real PIA to open the door when you lay them down,and you really have to watch your fingers when your closing the door. OUCH!

solocam72 · December 24, 2012, 11:21 PM

I know what you mean, I have a 50 gun and a 36 gun, I'm sure I could stuff that many long guns in them with scopes banging up against eachother and so on, figure about half of what they say they will hold to space them a tiny bit

**4V50 Gary** · December 25, 2012, 12:08 AM

You can put more guns in if they're all Youth sized 22 rifles or mouse guns. A scoped evil black rifle will take the space of one or two iron sighted guns.

oldmanFCSA · December 25, 2012, 12:35 AM

Try putting some in barrel down, this helps in fitting more in.
Works for me !!!

Ridge_Runner_5 · December 25, 2012, 12:50 AM

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Try putting some in barrel down, this helps in fitting more in.
Works for me !!!

Eek! I'd never store a gun resting on the muzzle.

mpolk · December 25, 2012, 12:52 AM

I have figured out if you leave the bolts open, you can put them much closer together.

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Heavy Metal 1 · December 25, 2012, 01:48 AM

"Eek! I'd never store a gun resting on the muzzle. "

why is that a problem?

Sport45 · December 25, 2012, 06:43 AM

About half of mine are muzzle down. It's not like the muzzle is resting on a gravel surface or anything.

oldmanFCSA · December 25, 2012, 09:08 AM

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Try putting some in barrel down, this helps in fitting more in.
Works for me !!!

Eek! I'd never store a gun resting on the muzzle.

===================================

My gun safes are carpetted and have an extra layer of soft rubber matting on floor = no problem.

However, if your safe is CHEAP with no protection, I would not use at all !!!

**4V50 Gary** · December 25, 2012, 11:07 AM

If you elect to store a gun muzzle down, put a piece of wood (not carpet) beneath it. Carpets can retain moisture and that would cause the muzzle to rust. Wood can too, but less so. The purpose of the wood is to protect the muzzle.

PetahW · December 25, 2012, 12:18 PM

With creative "leaning" (guns at an angle along the side/back walls), besides removing all the shelving except for a full-width shelf 6" from the top/roof, I easily fit 30 rifles into my "22-gun" Cannon safe, including their scopes & bolts (the BA rifles have their bolts open/back) - and none touch each other (barely).
NO slings allowed, though.............

My Cannon's interior, however, has an open front to the two sets of rifle racks/rests, and not the closed front/bar that many safes have, that require tilting the rifle to get it out - IMO setting up an easy hit on it's neighbor.

One half of the top shelf's for important family papers; the other half's for handguns (8 at present).

The bottom of the safe, betwixt the rifle butts, has room for a Golden Rod dehumidifier on one side & a loose scope or three on the other.

.

a1abdj · December 25, 2012, 01:48 PM

Aside from the creative storage methods mentioned above (especially the very effective muzzle up/down technique), I'll let you in on a little known secret.

It doesn't matter what the manufacturer says the safe will hold. Two safes, from two different manufacturers, with the same internal dimensions, will hold the same amount of guns.

All of the manufacturers install their interiors, count the slots, and claim that as the capacity. The problem is that 1 slot won't always hold one gun. However, 10 cubic feet will always hold 10 cubic feet. When comparing capacities, disregard the number of slots, and look at the internal volume.

December 23, 2012, 08:34 PM	#1
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 3,631	gun safes...false advertizing am I the only person in the world that can't seem to fit 36 guns in a 36 gun safe? I have 4 hand guns and 16 long guns and my safe is stuffed, I guess this is the universe telling me to stop buying until my tetris skills get better. __________________ all guns lost in a tragic smelting accident. I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.

December 23, 2012, 09:08 PM	#2
Alabama Shooter Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2012 Location: Sweet Home Posts: 858	When I bought my safe the seller told me that 30 rifles would fit under perfect conditions with the scopes removed and no magazines sticking out, no attachments attached and whatever. He then tried to sell me a bigger safe even though I had way fewer than 30. I have no where near that and the safe is getting crowded. __________________ Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.

December 24, 2012, 07:50 AM	#6
geetarman Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,359	I have a Fort Knox 44 gun safe. I don't think anyone could fit that many rifles in there. I got the larger safe so I could separate the wood stocks from the composite/AR style. __________________ Geetarman Carpe Cerveza

December 24, 2012, 10:24 AM	#7
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 8,618	I have a 48 gun, safe, the only way you can get 48 long guns in it is to remove the scopes and bolts. It can be done but not practical. I figure for 48 long guns, I MIGHT get by two 48 gun safes. Regardless, I think its an un-written law that the gun you want to use today has to be in the back of the safe. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Oct '78 Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

December 24, 2012, 10:52 AM	#8
Heavy Metal 1 Member Join Date: January 17, 2012 Posts: 89	I think they rate them as if they contained only lever actions w/o scopes. __________________ It's not a big surprise to feel your temperature rise You've gotta get your redline fever 'Cause there is just one cure that they know for sure You just become a heavy metal believer.

December 23, 2012, 09:11 PM	#3
shootniron Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2011 Posts: 1,146	I have 54 guns in one of our 40 gun...but you have to be CAREFULE when opening the door,

December 24, 2012, 11:27 AM	#9
Lunicy Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2008 Location: Behind enemy lines, jersey shore Posts: 111	you can get 48 guns in a 48 gun safe. You just jam them in. 48 bulldogs, neos, and snub noses would probably fit. I think they should advertise: 48 guns, if you dont care about damaging and scratching them. 24 if you actually care about your guns.

December 24, 2012, 11:35 AM	#10
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 1,933	I have been giving serious thought to one of those racks that lets me store my handguns standing up with the grip facing out. Something like this one, There are issues with the size and shape of several of my long and short-long guns. My .308 takes up the space of three rifles with it's oversized bolt handle, scope and McMillan stock. My SBR and SBSs aren't tall enough to fit into the racks so they must lean against the sides and the back. To avoid bumping guns against each other in the safe, I have had to sacrifice a few spaces around the guns that get shot the most often. __________________ "No, it's not a silencer. This little doodad is my own invention. I call it a loudener." --Sledge Hammer

December 24, 2012, 09:27 PM	#11
James K Staff Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 16,439	Sort of like how many people can get in a NY subway car. It depends on how big the guys are who are pushing them in. Jim __________________ Jim K

December 24, 2012, 10:08 PM	#12
jimbob86 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2007 Location: All the way to NEBRASKA Posts: 5,263	I have seen it go to both extremes ..... saw a guy with a "48 gun safe", with 60 .22 cal target rifles in it. My own safe says it will hold 16 guns .... there's 1/2 that in there, and any more would have to be subcompact pistols ..... __________________ TheGolden Rule of Tool Use: "If you don't know what you are doing, DON'T." http://nefirearm.com/

December 24, 2012, 10:11 PM	#13
TMD Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 422	Problem is your not utilizing the safe properly. First remove all shelving then lay the safe on its back. Now you can easily stack and pack the advertised amount of guns.

December 24, 2012, 10:20 PM	#14
Txhillbilly Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2008 Posts: 242	Yes,But it's a real PIA to open the door when you lay them down,and you really have to watch your fingers when your closing the door. OUCH!

December 24, 2012, 11:21 PM	#15
solocam72 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2012 Location: Idaho Posts: 221	I know what you mean, I have a 50 gun and a 36 gun, I'm sure I could stuff that many long guns in them with scopes banging up against eachother and so on, figure about half of what they say they will hold to space them a tiny bit

December 25, 2012, 12:08 AM	#16
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 15,424	You can put more guns in if they're all Youth sized 22 rifles or mouse guns. A scoped evil black rifle will take the space of one or two iron sighted guns. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 25, 2012, 12:35 AM	#17
oldmanFCSA Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2010 Location: Osceola, WI Posts: 133	Try putting some in barrel down, this helps in fitting more in. Works for me !!! __________________ OldmanFCSA = "Oldman" at Fifty Caliber Shooters Association www.fcsa.org 2012 & 2013 FCSA Regional Match Director - Alliance, NE - Spring Match June - Fall Match September 2013 - ALL 50BMG Shooters FCSA Member & SCSA Member & NRA Member & AMA Member "Oldage & Treachery will overcome Youth & Skill"

December 25, 2012, 12:52 AM	#19
mpolk Member Join Date: January 4, 2009 Location: Waco, Texas Posts: 43	I have figured out if you leave the bolts open, you can put them much closer together. Sent from my GT-P5113 using Tapatalk 2

December 25, 2012, 01:48 AM	#20
Heavy Metal 1 Member Join Date: January 17, 2012 Posts: 89	"Eek! I'd never store a gun resting on the muzzle. " why is that a problem? __________________ It's not a big surprise to feel your temperature rise You've gotta get your redline fever 'Cause there is just one cure that they know for sure You just become a heavy metal believer.

December 25, 2012, 06:43 AM	#21
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 26, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 3,957	About half of mine are muzzle down. It's not like the muzzle is resting on a gravel surface or anything. __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

December 25, 2012, 09:08 AM	#22
oldmanFCSA Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2010 Location: Osceola, WI Posts: 133	Quote: Try putting some in barrel down, this helps in fitting more in. Works for me !!! Eek! I'd never store a gun resting on the muzzle. =================================== My gun safes are carpetted and have an extra layer of soft rubber matting on floor = no problem. However, if your safe is CHEAP with no protection, I would not use at all !!! __________________ OldmanFCSA = "Oldman" at Fifty Caliber Shooters Association www.fcsa.org 2012 & 2013 FCSA Regional Match Director - Alliance, NE - Spring Match June - Fall Match September 2013 - ALL 50BMG Shooters FCSA Member & SCSA Member & NRA Member & AMA Member "Oldage & Treachery will overcome Youth & Skill"

December 25, 2012, 11:07 AM	#23
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 15,424	If you elect to store a gun muzzle down, put a piece of wood (not carpet) beneath it. Carpets can retain moisture and that would cause the muzzle to rust. Wood can too, but less so. The purpose of the wood is to protect the muzzle. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 25, 2012, 12:18 PM	#24
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 3,290	With creative "leaning" (guns at an angle along the side/back walls), besides removing all the shelving except for a full-width shelf 6" from the top/roof, I easily fit 30 rifles into my "22-gun" Cannon safe, including their scopes & bolts (the BA rifles have their bolts open/back) - and none touch each other (barely). NO slings allowed, though............. My Cannon's interior, however, has an open front to the two sets of rifle racks/rests, and not the closed front/bar that many safes have, that require tilting the rifle to get it out - IMO setting up an easy hit on it's neighbor. One half of the top shelf's for important family papers; the other half's for handguns (8 at present). The bottom of the safe, betwixt the rifle butts, has room for a Golden Rod dehumidifier on one side & a loose scope or three on the other. .

December 25, 2012, 01:48 PM	#25
a1abdj Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2005 Location: St. Charles, MO Posts: 483	Aside from the creative storage methods mentioned above (especially the very effective muzzle up/down technique), I'll let you in on a little known secret. It doesn't matter what the manufacturer says the safe will hold. Two safes, from two different manufacturers, with the same internal dimensions, will hold the same amount of guns. All of the manufacturers install their interiors, count the slots, and claim that as the capacity. The problem is that 1 slot won't always hold one gun. However, 10 cubic feet will always hold 10 cubic feet. When comparing capacities, disregard the number of slots, and look at the internal volume. __________________ www.zykansafe.com