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Old December 14, 2012, 07:46 AM   #26
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I have a Mark 3 hunter and the Beretta NEOS. Both are excellent pistols, and will never be replaced.
But the next .22 will be the Smith M&P22. For the same reasons Rifleman1952 stated.
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Old December 14, 2012, 08:20 AM   #27
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I love my Buckmark.
But I'm warming up to the 22/45 as a possible project gun.
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Old December 14, 2012, 09:09 AM   #28
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I paid $349 for my S&W M&P .22 semi auto pistol, but I recently saw them advertised at Budsgunshop.com for $328.

IMHO, the S&W M&P 22 and the Ruger SR 22 (slightly lower price at $315) are what I would classify as trainer/plinkers.

If you're looking for a trainer/practice .22 pistol, I don't thing you can go wrong with either the Ruger or the S&W.
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Old December 14, 2012, 09:37 AM   #29
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I love my Buckmark.
But I'm warming up to the 22/45 as a possible project gun.
My buckmark has nice sharp sights, a good trigger, and the basic cheapest black hard rubber grips are very comfortable for me. On top of that, the item is accurate. However, I would like to find whoever decided to hold the barrel to the frame with two screws, and punch him in the throat.

Like all Ruger 22s, the 22/45 becomes a project gun whether you bought it as one or not. I've a volquatzen upper and sear on mine. I like it and use it, but the Buckmark may still be a nicer gun so long as the screws are tight.
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Old December 14, 2012, 09:42 AM   #30
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^fwiw I have not managed to loosen the bottom bolt no matter how hard I crank on it short of breaking it or the hex driver.
It'll probably take a soldering iron placed into the hex head and a bit more patience to soften whatever Loctite is in there, when the time comes, if ever.
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Old December 14, 2012, 10:36 PM   #31
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I don't think I would want a buckmark AND a Ruger MK series. They both fill the same role IMO.

The NEOS is pretty similar by practical measure, but it does have a whole lot different look.

You probably should get more of a 'defensive trainer' model though.
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Old December 15, 2012, 10:12 AM   #32
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Use will be range plinking and general fun gun.
That sounds more like a smaller pistol like the Bersa Thunder 22lr, Walther P22, Ruger SR, or the more pricey, rare and very cool Beretta 87 Cheetah.

I missed out about a year ago on a Beretta 87 at Cabella's for ~$400, turned my back for 5 minutes to think about it and poof! Gone... Still mad about it
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Old December 15, 2012, 12:42 PM   #33
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The S&W 41 in my opinion is the best but does not qualify here - I also have a S&W 422 that has been shot a lot and is accurate and very reliable and fun to shoot.
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Old December 15, 2012, 01:01 PM   #34
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I've heard and read that the model 41s are superior in accuracy but I haven't seen any that have been any bit more precise than my Target bull barrel ruger.

Pic is a target shot from "25 yards" with the Ruger 22/45 rested and scoped. 15 shot group ".75 inch" CTC, excluding the 2 shots I pulled. Ammo was match. Oh... this is out of the box/ no mods/ cept a cheap NcStar 2.5 x 30 pistol scope on a 300 dollar pistol

Only other gun I know that claims this type of precision were the Hammerli trailside .22lr pistols that came with the factory 25 meter test target- 5 shot group usually around 2/3rds of an inch with non match ammo!

Don't get me wrong, I'd just like to understand what 41 owners are sayin when they mean "superior in accuracy".


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Old December 16, 2012, 08:03 AM   #35
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I know this will in fact be over looked, but, one of my best investments was a little Beretta 21a Bobcat 22lr. It's hard to shoot, but it is accurate for what it is. After shooting a 100 rounds per session at first makes you appreciate your other handguns BIG TIME.

It's paid for it self in cost more than 3-4 times over so far. I hit 16 (paper plate) out of 32 (16 flyers) CM and not one miss at 25 yards. And 6 real flyers on target.

TBS, don't take my word for it!

PS: it doesn't like Rmingtons nor do I!
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Old December 16, 2012, 12:07 PM   #36
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Pic is a target shot from "25 yards" with the Ruger 22/45 rested and scoped. 15 shot group ".75 inch" CTC, excluding the 2 shots I pulled. Ammo was match. Oh... this is out of the box/ no mods/ cept a cheap NcStar 2.5 x 30 pistol scope on a 300 dollar pistol
It's a shame you're so far away.
I'd wager a steak dinner you (not me) could use my scoped S&W .22/s, rested, and put 50 rounds of any old bulk .22 ammo through that hole in the center of that target - @ 50 yards.

It's a real shame S&W has/had to make the .22/s and .22/a such a POS also.
Mine is simply amazing as to how accuruate it shoots.
I really wish it wasn't so poorly executed as far as production goes.
It's only becase of that I can't recommend one to anybody.

The only really good news though is they have a lifetime warranty.
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Old December 16, 2012, 07:41 PM   #37
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I'd wager a steak dinner you (not me) could use my scoped S&W .22/s, rested, and put 50 rounds of any old bulk .22 ammo through that hole in the center of that target - @ 50 yards.
This is in reply to if your actually refering to a pistol


Hey, I'm not saying that it's not possible with your S&W pistol.........., but I'd have to see it to believe it, and I think it's highly unlikely... a bit more like an anomaly.

I so far can't break an average that's under 1 inch considering groups @ 50 yards with my scoped 1022 rifle!

Best 5 shot group was 9/16nth of an inch.
Best 10 shot group was a tad less than 5/8ths
This being done bag rested/ Nikon prostaff fixed 4x32 Scoped on the "10/22 rifle".

My average 5 shot groups are more towards 1 inch at 50y.

I would put up a wager to see anyone put 10 rounds in a .75 inch group from 50 yards with any .22lr pistol with a barrel length of 7.5 inches or less

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Old December 16, 2012, 07:48 PM   #38
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I've owned a Ruger MKII;Ruger 22/45
a Smith 41 but I just bought for $475
a High Standard Supermatic Citation.
Best 22 pistol I've ever owned.
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Old December 16, 2012, 10:18 PM   #39
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m_liebst,

Nice shooting. The next time I take mine out I'm going to do most of my shooting at 25 yards.

R.C,

Which models listed previously are "iffy" on accuracy?
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Old December 17, 2012, 12:31 AM   #40
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Shadi Khalil:

That 15 shot group-was result of a good bag rest, experience with Rugers rather rough out-a-the-box trigger, pistol scope, and quite a bit of luck.

Somethin like a comparative post I show when people start talking about pistol precision..... if only i could've gotten them 2 pullers in that main ragged hole.

If ya end up rest shooting your 22/45 and like it, then your best mod for increasing your precision is getting a good trigger kit This will make all the difference in grouping the longer shots. And despite my obedience to the 22/45, I won't be the first to admit that the trigger isn't up to par.

Good thing there's unlimited mods and youtube videos on self-mods with-out having to buy any parts!

Have a blast with your piece.

Mike

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Old December 17, 2012, 12:41 AM   #41
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Redhawk wrote:

I know this will in fact be over looked, but, one of my best investments was a little Beretta 21a Bobcat 22lr. It's hard to shoot, but it is accurate for what it is. After shooting a 100 rounds per session at first makes you appreciate your other handguns BIG TIME.

It's paid for it self in cost more than 3-4 times over so far. I hit 16 (paper plate) out of 32 (16 flyers) CM and not one miss at 25 yards. And 6 real flyers on target.

TBS, don't take my word for it!

PS: it doesn't like Rmingtons nor do I!




Just didn't want you to get overlooked, Redhawk. The 21A is a great little .22lr and is on my short list to get one.
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Old December 17, 2012, 02:24 AM   #42
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Just didn't want you to get overlooked, Redhawk. The 21A is a great little .22lr and is on my short list to get one.
Thanks.

If you get extra mags get the Beretta mags.
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Old December 17, 2012, 02:34 AM   #43
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^^ This I have read - thanks!
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Old December 25, 2012, 05:20 PM   #44
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s&w 22a

the s&w 22a is a wonderful gun. it is very sturdily built and you can tell that from its weight alone. it is also extremely accurate and fun to shoot. i would recommend one with the glow in the dark night sights. very reasonably priced.
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Old December 25, 2012, 08:53 PM   #45
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i'm a fan of the ruger mk2 .22's myself and have a couple of them. one is a 5" gov't target bull barrel and the other is the 6 7/8" slab side target barrel. but, when headed out for a ride in the woods on the atv with my 2 lil boys in tow i grab the s&w 22a-1 that is sitting on top of the freezer in the garage. why seeing that i have 2 other higher quality .22 pistols? in a word weight. the 22a doesnt feel like i have a weapon strapped onto my hip. besides my lil 8 yr old boy loves to run a mag or two thru it at designated stops. so, if for a knockaround gun i would say the s&w 22a series.
good luck with your decision,
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Old December 26, 2012, 11:26 AM   #46
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I've got the Ruger Mark III Hunter, but my next .22 will be the Ruger 22/45 Lite. A beautiful gun and could be used for concealed carry also. I think the Ruger action can't be beat for reliability. Not to say there aren't others out there that are as good. I'm just saying...
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Old December 26, 2012, 12:16 PM   #47
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S&W 22a..had one for a short bit. Nice little .22 easy to field strip and plenty of room for a reddot scope on top.
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Old December 27, 2012, 03:28 AM   #48
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Another fan of the 22A here. Mine won't shoot as good as Hal's, but with the 7" barrel and CCI Subsonic HP's or Aguila match rifle it will shoot 10 under an inch at 50yrds.

You seem to have the Auto realm covered, have you given any thought to a rimfire wheelgun?
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Old December 27, 2012, 07:13 AM   #49
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The ugliest, cheapest, malformed .22 pistol I've owned has won me over, the Beretta Neos. A high end Target Purist may be disappointed with the Neos but I couldn't ask more for my uses. I've owned Colts (several), Smiths & Wesson (43,22A,422), Ruger MK (1,2,3 several of each), Browning Buckmarks, H&R, High Standard and more that don't come to mind at the moment. All were good pistols. However, nothing I've owned has run as well as this cheap ugly Neos. I'm up to over 1500 rounds of the Federal Auto Match and have only 1 malfunction. That was from a dud cartridge that was "struck well" multiple times and still failed to fire.

Lousy trigger from the factory (Beretta improved mine on sending it back as unacceptable). Not up to top line Target .22 pistols but accurate enough to do any reasonable thing with. Reasonably good sights and ergos. The best mags I've found. I must say though the ugly thing, like the Energizer Bunny, runs - and runs - and runs....... I think it's a best buy for the $$$$. I've not owned that many Beretta pistols and shot them hardly at all. However, I will try some in the future. If they make a cheap .22 pistol this good they probably make other calibers that are "good" also.
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Old December 28, 2012, 03:28 AM   #50
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Love my Browning Buckmark, enough said.
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