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View Poll Results: CZ P01 or Sig 226 for reliability and overall quality, price difference aside?
CZ P01 18 34.62%
Sig 226 34 65.38%
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Old December 29, 2012, 02:54 AM   #1
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Sig P226 or CZ P01 for New Gun Owner

I have a friend that would like to purchase a pistol, and as he has no experience he sought me out. I have taken him shooting before, so he has gotten to try my Glock 19, Sig 220, Springfield XDM, and CZ75B. He actually gave me clear criteria of what he is looking for now:

1. Budget of up to about $850
2. Most important things are quality/reliability, rather than a name
3. Definitely doesn't want a polymer frame
4. Definitely wants a 9 mm
5. Seems to like the more compact pistols (rather than CZ75B, Browning Hi Power, etc)
6. Will more or less be used as a nightstand piece.

With that I have kind of narrowed it down to a CZ P01 or a Sig 226. This is where I'm stuck though. I LOVE my Sig 220, but I keep hearing there are quality issues now with Sig's US made pistols. I have heard and experienced awesome things with the CZ P01, but in the past I've found the machine marks and finish on CZ's to be a little dubious.

So, please help kick me off the fence. Which would you choose, forgetting the price difference?



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Old December 29, 2012, 03:26 AM   #2
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CZ P01- hands down. It is a great firearm at a fair price. Around $550 at Cabela's.
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Old December 29, 2012, 04:11 AM   #3
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The P01 is a great pistol, but if money wasn't an object, I'd get the 226 without hesitating. It is a pistol that has proven itself in the field for a long time.
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Old December 29, 2012, 08:07 AM   #4
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A better choice would be to compare the semi-compact Sig P228/P229 to the P-01 or 75D PCR instead of the full sie P226.

I have a P228, and a CZ-75D PCR. I did extensive range testing, and carried both at different times. I chose the PCR over the P228 as I found it more accurate, with better ergonomics (for my hands) better placement of controls and slightly more compact overall. Reliability for the CZ and the Sig were the same. Both are extremely reliable. The PCR even fits in my Galco P228 holster. The P228 has sat in the safe for years and will probably get sold.

For those that are unfamiliar the CZ PCR is similar to the P-01 except it does NOT have a light rail.

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Old December 29, 2012, 09:05 AM   #5
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A good friend of mine is a big CZ fan. He just bought a CZ P01 a few months ago. He loves it. I have fired it many times and it is a fantastic handgun. Another good friend of mine recently purchased a SIG P229 Dark Elite, and I own a P226 Tacops. While he loves his CZ, he never fails to make glowing comments about the SIG's when shooting them side by side. Basically, if money is a primary concern, that P01 may be one of the best bangs for the buck on the market. If money is not as much of a concern he would, and I would recommend the SIG 226/229 any day all day.
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Old December 29, 2012, 09:28 AM   #6
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I don't like CZ's..ergos are just bad. Everything feels much too far forward.
As far as I'm concerned, and also because I have one and consider it to be maybe the finest pistol I have ever shot, the 226 is in a league of it's own against those other pistols you mention. Yes it's more money, but:
If the money is there, Sig all the way.
And the nonsense about Sig quality going down is ridiculous. You'll find people on both sides of that age-old argument, and you'll find many who can point to any number of issues the old German made Sigs had. There have been entire threads devoted to this, so I pray to God it doesn't get started up again in this discussion.
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Old December 29, 2012, 09:35 AM   #7
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If possible have him try both and then let him make the decision.

I tried CZs and many others and I own SIGs and a Walther PPQ. They are easily what I shoot best, what I prefer, and WELL worth the investment price. My own preference is that I own pistols that do not have an external manual operator activated safety - well except for my one SIG 1911 but that is a range pistol.

The P229 and P228 (if you can find a nice one) are more of a compact pistol compared to a P226 and I own all of them and they are all fantastic.

Also have him check out the SIG SP2022. Lots and lots of love for a SIG that you can buy for less than a CZ. It is poly frame but it feels very beefy as it is.

Don't worry about the quality of a classic P series SIG P210/P220/P225/P226/P228/P229/P239 as they are all very top tier pistols. I have yet to expereince a SINGLE issue with any of my SIGs after thousands and thousands of rounds fired. An exception is that personally I avoid P220s with milled stainless steel slide and internal extractors if you ever come accross one of those though that were made for a short period of time a few years back.

Here is a link below about how law enforcement shooters think of the P229 - a SIG that has always been made here in USA. Looks to be about a 4.8 out of five rating with 185 voting.

http://policelink.monster.com/produc...s/273-sig-p229

Here is a P226 and a P229 of mine so you can see difference in size. Also my delicious P228 so you can see what a P228 looks like.






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Old December 29, 2012, 10:46 AM   #8
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I don't like CZ's..ergos are just bad. Everything feels much too far forward.
That's interesting. For me the Sig's controls are much too backwards. I have to change my grip to decock where as on my CZ PCR it is right where it should be. Plus there is no confusion between the slide stop and decocker. The Sigs are different from most other semi auto handgun positions, but are fine if that is all you shoot.

My P228's grip also feels like a block of wood compared to the contoured CZ's. The bore axis on the Sig is very high and the gun just seems blocky all around. Muzzle flip is more pronunced on the Sig, while recoil comes straight back into the arm with the CZ allowing faster follow up shots.
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Old December 29, 2012, 11:02 AM   #9
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I love the controls on the Sigs. Everything on them is within perfect reach for me. I'm not the first person on here to comment about CZ's forward-feeling controls though. It was another thread I mean....not this one.
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Old December 29, 2012, 11:28 AM   #10
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I love my Sig P226's - they are great guns in every way.

Here's my P226 X5



I own 3 CZ's too and they are quality guns too.

But not as good as Sig's IMHO

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Old December 29, 2012, 05:32 PM   #11
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Old December 29, 2012, 06:11 PM   #12
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I voted the P01 -though the trigger reach on that pistol doesnt work for me. When I started carrying about the only 9mm compacts out there were the Colt Commander, S&W 469/669, and the Walther P5. You say your friend favors compacts (as do I) and the P01 is a better choice if he EVER thinks he might carry. The Sig 229 however might be about the best compromise that "fits" in your list (sorta)...
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Old December 29, 2012, 09:45 PM   #13
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I shot a 226 in .40 today and man it was fun to shoot. Great feel in my hand, loved the trigger, and was dead accurate. So my vote went to the 226
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Old December 29, 2012, 10:29 PM   #14
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I had a 220 and tried out my friend's 229.

Let's just say I appreciate my P01 even more every time I try another pistol. Sig's have weird controls and an artificially tall bore axis. IMO.

The 229 wasn't bad though.
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Old December 30, 2012, 12:13 AM   #15
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If money is not an issue look into the cz custom shop Pro-tek 2. Its a fully worked p-01. Pictures do not convey the amount of custom work that has been done to every surface of the frame & controls . The custom work on the trigger is significant over a factory p-01. Double action is smooth and clean, Single action is crisp.

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Old December 30, 2012, 12:38 AM   #16
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I am glad you like it.I really like the looks of the Sigs a lot more.
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Old December 30, 2012, 08:36 AM   #17
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CZ's get a lot of hype on the internet. They are almost unheard of in the real world for a reason. Get the Sig.
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Old December 30, 2012, 08:56 AM   #18
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I too am not a CZ fan. I own the Sig P226 as well as a P6 (P225). The 226 is a remarkable pistol.
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Old December 30, 2012, 09:54 AM   #19
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I'd have said Sig 10 years ago. Their quality has gone into the toilet and today I'd say buy whichever one you like more if you're dead set on a NEW gun.

Save some cash and get a CPO P226.
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Old December 30, 2012, 09:55 AM   #20
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CZ wasn't able to import to the US until not that long ago, so SIG had a major head start on CZ. As far as being "internet guns," not really - CZ variants are among the most popular in the rest of the world, and get used quite a bit in international competiton.

In response to sigarms228, the P01 has no external safety, it has a decocker. If that is a bad thing, in your book, then you need to quit endorsing your SIG P22x series....
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Old December 30, 2012, 11:41 AM   #21
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Today at the LGS after I was done on the range I went to the counter specifically to handle a CZ again, to be sure I dislike them as much as I thought I do.....
Yep, wouldn't have one. Weird feeling guns that look like they were built in the 50's. There's a whole bunch of guns in the $500 range I'd pick first.
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Old December 30, 2012, 12:12 PM   #22
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That would be a very easy one for me - the CZ by a mile. I hate Sig ergo's.
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