The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old September 5, 2015, 01:40 PM   #1
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
Closet find

Found my great grand father's New Ithaca Gun exposed hammer 12 gauge double.

It's 2 3/4 inch chambers, fluid steel barrels, and dates to 1900.

But... both firing pins are broken, and the forearm barrel lug needs to be resoldered.

Does anyone know of a Smith who works on guns this old?

I'd love to be able to take it to the range occasionally and break some clays.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 5, 2015, 02:00 PM   #2
FITASC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 6, 2014
Posts: 2,048
While I know an 85+ year old gunsmith who learned at his daddy's knee (and he probably has parts knowing him); I'd check here:

http://www.ithacaowners.com/

2-3/4" chambers from 1900 is something - is it marked 2-3/4? There isn't a lot of difference between 2-1/2 and 2-9/16 and 2-3/4......
I sure wouldn't shoot modern loads in it....best bet would be low pressure ammo from Polywad or RST

Neat find! Hope you get it fixed and are able to shoot it.............
__________________
FITASC: Fédération Internationale de Tir aux Armes Sportives de Chasse. http://www.fitasc.com/uk/home/view
FITASC is offline  
Old September 5, 2015, 02:07 PM   #3
jaguarxk120
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,163
Give Les a call at Diamond Gun Smithing. He IS the Ithaca Man, on a double he knows all.
jaguarxk120 is online now  
Old September 5, 2015, 06:06 PM   #4
Smoke & Recoil
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 23, 2008
Location: East shore of Lake Michigan.
Posts: 414
Is that Diamond Gun Shop or Osborns of which you speak ? (north of White Cloud)
__________________
If everyone valued my opinions...we wouldn't need forums.
Smoke & Recoil is offline  
Old September 5, 2015, 06:56 PM   #5
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
A 2 9/16th chamber insert didn't chamber, but the 2 3/4 one did.

Low pressure smokeless loads should be ok even in a gun this age as it was originally intended to be used with nitro powders.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 5, 2015, 07:17 PM   #6
jaguarxk120
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,163
It is www.diamondgunsmithing.com located in Ithaca , NY.


211 Dey Street, Ithaca NY, 14850

607-273-4510

Les specializing in vintage Ithaca shotguns.
jaguarxk120 is online now  
Old September 5, 2015, 07:56 PM   #7
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
Awesome!
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 12:04 AM   #8
gyvel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2009
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 7,172
Quote:
A 2 9/16th chamber insert didn't chamber, but the 2 3/4 one did.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a 2 9/16 shorter than a 2 3/4???
__________________
As always, YMMV.
__________________________________________
MIIAA
SIFE
gyvel is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 01:10 AM   #9
big al hunter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 12, 2011
Location: Washington state
Posts: 1,011
Quote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a 2 9/16 shorter than a 2 3/4??
Can't correct you. 9 is bigger than 3....except in fractions. 2 9/16 is 3/16 shorter than 3/4. Better check the inserts and chamber for burrs.

And congrats on the awesome find. Love the old hammer guns. Pics?
__________________
You can't fix stupid....however ignorance can be cured through education!
big al hunter is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 01:43 AM   #10
Bill DeShivs
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 7, 2006
Posts: 8,306
2-3/4 is 2-12/16".
That's longer than 2-9/16".
__________________
Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler
www.billdeshivs.com
Bill DeShivs is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 04:03 AM   #11
gyvel
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 30, 2009
Location: Northern AZ
Posts: 7,172
Quote:
2-3/4 is 2-12/16".
That's longer than 2-9/16".
Yeah, that's pretty apparent by my rhetorical question. It left me wondering why a 2 3/4 chamber insert would fit and a 2 9/16 wouldn't.
__________________
As always, YMMV.
__________________________________________
MIIAA
SIFE
gyvel is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 07:39 AM   #12
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
By didn't chamber I meant didn't fit correctly, not that it stuck out of the chamber.

The 2 3/4 inch chamber guide fit perfectly.

I'm typing on my phone and being sparing with words.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 08:56 AM   #13
jaguarxk120
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,163
It is not the barrel chamber, but the material the barrels are made of. That alone will govern what kind of shells are used in this gun.
jaguarxk120 is online now  
Old September 6, 2015, 09:45 AM   #14
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
I already know the barrels are fluid steel.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 6, 2015, 10:19 AM   #15
jaguarxk120
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,163
No matter what the chamber length is, consider using only low pressure loads/reloads. It is not the barrel material or chamber length, but rather the wear on the locking bolt and the hinge pin. You can shoot a gun loose with too heavy loads.

Fixing a shotgun that is off face is not cheap, Over size hinge pins, new locking bolts, and having the barrel hook re-welded and recut is not cheap.

I think RST and Polly Wad both make low pressure loadings for the older guns.
jaguarxk120 is online now  
Old September 6, 2015, 10:32 AM   #16
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
The lock up is tight as a drum, and there is no wobble at all in the hinge.

My great grandfather probably had it as a farm gun but didn't shoot it much, and my grandfather was not at all into guns. Didn't like them, and as far as I know never used them.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 9, 2015, 05:30 AM   #17
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
Finally got to a real computer, instead of just my phone, and was able to look at Diamond Gunsmith's base prices.

Resoldering the barrel lug will be $160 or so. No estimate listed for firing pins. I'll have to give them a call on that.

Realistically, I'll have more into this gun than it's worth if I decided to go this route and if it's fixable.

Don't much care, though.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 9, 2015, 07:48 AM   #18
jaguarxk120
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,163
Mike look up the asking price's on Guns International you might find that gun is very fixable. Any repairs that Les at Diamond would do should be noted with the gun, it just proves the repairs were not made by bubba.

You haven't stated what model you have so prices are all over the board, but a N.I.D. starts at around $550 and goes up from there, in some cases way up depending on the condition and grade.
jaguarxk120 is online now  
Old September 9, 2015, 07:48 AM   #19
FITASC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 6, 2014
Posts: 2,048
Family heirlooms have an intrinsic value only to the family descendants which makes the expense worth every penny.

Before and after pics would be nice.
__________________
FITASC: Fédération Internationale de Tir aux Armes Sportives de Chasse. http://www.fitasc.com/uk/home/view
FITASC is offline  
Old September 9, 2015, 08:29 AM   #20
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
It is stamped, as I noted, New Ithaca Gun.

It's tough to determine if that was actually the model name or not.

According to this list, it IS a New Ithaca Gun model (NIG). It's definitely not a Crass, because they were hammerless.

http://www.ithacagun.com/pdfs/serialnumbers.pdf
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 9, 2015, 08:43 AM   #21
jaguarxk120
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 28, 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,163
Guns International shows only two N.I.G. hammer guns, both restored, one at $1650.00 and the other at $1750,00. They are listed by the same vendor, the cheaper one is a 16 gauge.
jaguarxk120 is online now  
Old September 9, 2015, 09:10 AM   #22
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
Huh. Best prices I was seeing in my limited searches were about $600 for ones in really excellent, unrestored condition.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old September 9, 2015, 10:34 AM   #23
FITASC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: December 6, 2014
Posts: 2,048
Have you looked here as well for info?
http://www.ithacaowners.com/

There's a section for Flues and NIG
__________________
FITASC: Fédération Internationale de Tir aux Armes Sportives de Chasse. http://www.fitasc.com/uk/home/view
FITASC is offline  
Old September 9, 2015, 11:18 AM   #24
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 38,182
"Have you looked here as well for info?
http://www.ithacaowners.com/

There's a section for Flues and NIG"

Found, and joined, them earlier today, as a matter of fact.

Kframe19...
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2016 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.12947 seconds with 9 queries