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Old November 20, 2012, 08:39 AM   #1
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Optics - it's between two?

Burris XTR 1-4x24

Eotech XPS2-0 with G23 magnifier

I figure I'll get the best of both worlds with my AR (target, pig hunting, and defense) with either of these set ups. Now it's a matter of just picking one?
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:08 AM   #2
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Between the 2 combos you have listed.

Burris.

My experience with red dots with magnifiers has given me the opinion that they are a compromise that are the worst of both worlds rather than the best.

Heavy, poor eye relief, poor eyebox.

If you want/need magnification, go with the variable and get a high quality QD base like a Larue or ADM and a good set of BUIS.
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:31 AM   #3
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Go with the Burris scope. I don't know your age, but I'm at a point where I need glasses for close work and can't see iron sights with out glasses. Red dots, I see two. I don't shoot or hunt with glasses. Scope allow me to focus the objective to see the reticle clearly.
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Old November 20, 2012, 10:08 AM   #4
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A 1-4X scope of some type is the best all around AR optic. If you don't mind added weight or expense something with an illiminated reticle wouldn't be bad. Not worth the expense, complexity, or weight to me.
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Old November 20, 2012, 10:21 AM   #5
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I use that same Burris and use it in competitions, sometimes in a dark house stage, which would be pretty much the same as inside your house. The reticle illumination is extremely useful for that. In conjunction with a weapon mounted flashlight the Burris reticle is really nice.

I use a Vortex SPARC on a different rifle and it's target view is very similar to an Aimpoint. Every time I shoot it I find myself wishing I had two 1x4 scopes, so my vote is definitely for the scope.
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Old November 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #6
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I know this wasn't on your list, but having owned both I feel the Vortex Viper PST 1-4x is a nicer scope than the Burris. They're reasonably priced too.


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Old November 20, 2012, 02:59 PM   #7
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I have ordered a NC Star 3-9x42/Red Dot combo for my SKS project. Good reviews on the product. Perhaps you might take a look. Might be what you are looking for.
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Old November 20, 2012, 03:06 PM   #8
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I guess a commie scope for a commie gun, but I wouldn't put Chinese anything on any of my ARs.
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Old November 20, 2012, 03:08 PM   #9
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Actually, I would suggest the Burris MTAC 1-4. The reticle is less cluttered, the illumination is brighter, the controls are better. Been running them since before they were available for sale and they have been 100%.
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Old November 20, 2012, 04:01 PM   #10
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Actually, I would suggest the Burris MTAC 1-4. The reticle is less cluttered, the illumination is brighter, the controls are better. Been running them since before they were available for sale and they have been 100%.
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Is the MTAC a true 1 time mag?
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Old November 20, 2012, 04:34 PM   #11
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Yes, true 1x on the bottom end.
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Old November 20, 2012, 04:57 PM   #12
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I just checked out the MTAC - the reticle is nice. Could definitely save some money if I went that route.
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Old November 20, 2012, 05:57 PM   #13
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I run the MTAC on my 3Gun competition rifle, on my .450 Bushmaster Carbine (Pigs and Timber AR) and on my AR set-up for night matches and shoot houses. Very versatile and functional.
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Old November 20, 2012, 06:25 PM   #14
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I really need versatility, and that's why I sold my Aimpoint Micro. No discredit to the Aimpoint, becuase it was awesome & perfect for defense purposes. At this point in time this is my go-to-gun (with a soon to be addition of a 6.8 or 300BLK upper strictly for hunting). So between target, pig hunting, defense, and a good chance of getting involved in 3 gun...versatility is key.
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Old November 20, 2012, 07:36 PM   #15
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IMO, this is a best choice. . .



Burris AR-536 + Fastfire 4 or 8 MOA

I have a 1-4x. It is fine, but would never be a truely fast combat optic. 4x is ok at 300 with a 1 MOA dot, but 5x would be a little nicer. Also, a quick raise of the rifle, would have me looking through the red dot. Cheek weld would be crap, but don't need at short distance.
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Old November 20, 2012, 08:41 PM   #16
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I have a 1-4x. It is fine, but would never be a truely fast combat optic.
Which is not a problem. Defense purposes are on the bottom of my list with my AR. My handgun is my first line of defense if the SHTF
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Old November 20, 2012, 09:25 PM   #17
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Per the 'commie' remark, Burris MTAC isn't made in the US either.
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Old November 21, 2012, 03:13 AM   #18
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I have the Burris XTR 1-4x24 on my 6.8SPC and it's a very good scope. In the same price range I'd also give serious consideration to the Weaver Tactical 1-5x24 for about $650. The only thing I don't like about the Burris is the warranty. The scope itself is covered under the usual lifetime warranty but the warranty for the electronics is only a few year. One thing to note is there is an angle where the red LED is visible from the front. It's kinda of an odd ahead and overhead angle but it's something to be aware of.

I have an Eotech and a good magnifier on my 5.56 and it's nice but for hunting I'd rather have the scope.

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Old November 21, 2012, 07:42 AM   #19
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There are many quality 1-4 AR scopes, that your pick. I like the Vortex Viper and if price is no concern the new Vortex Razor GenII 1-6 is like having smart bullets.

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Old November 21, 2012, 08:21 AM   #20
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I'd imagine the Razor 1-6 is the cat's meow, but the Viper is more in my price range. I am also considering the Viper?
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Old November 21, 2012, 09:42 AM   #21
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Burris MTAC 1-4 at a good price: http://www.copesdistributing.net/bla...pe-p-5692.html
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Old November 21, 2012, 03:57 PM   #22
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That's a heck of a deal! Thanks for the link
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Old November 21, 2012, 05:41 PM   #23
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Clicked the link to buy one, but apparently they're no longer available. Bummer!
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Old November 22, 2012, 04:23 AM   #24
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Just an FYI I looked at the MTAC and passed on it because it's not a true 1x. It's a nice scope and it's not far off but I still prefer a true 1x. The cheapest illuminated 1-4x24 that I'd seriously consider is the Vortex Viper PST but that's just my preference for true 1x. If you don't need illumination there are cheaper alternatives with excellent optics like the Nikon M-223 1-4x20 and Weaver V3 1-3x20.
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Old November 22, 2012, 04:50 AM   #25
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I think those two are one inch tubes aren't they? Not 30mm...
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