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Old November 24, 2012, 10:50 AM   #1
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.9 mm vs. .40 S&W

I wanted to get feedback on opinions of a .9 mm vs. .40. Given all the possibilities of needing a back up in the event I run across a wild hog while hunting; which do you prefer? I have only shot one .40 in Glock; and I did not like the recoil. However, I have narrowed my search down to a CZ75B; hoping that the weight will dampen recoil on the .40. I know that the 9 mm is cheaper to shoot; has more rounds in clip, and can be more accurate for target shooting. Any feedback on which of these rounds has more pros vs. cons?
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Old November 24, 2012, 10:54 AM   #2
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Use the search feature. Theres about 62,000 threads comparing the two.
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Old November 24, 2012, 11:25 AM   #3
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Neither versus a large hog. Get a 10mm. I know you said you want a CZ75B, but neither of those calibers will cut it.
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Old November 24, 2012, 11:59 AM   #4
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The very first CZ I rented was a 75 in 40. Liked it so much I got the 9mm version and kept that for nearly ten years.

If you just plan to plink and target shoot, get the 9mm. Ammo is cheaper and recoil less. If you even remotely plan to carry at some point consider the P01. It does everything the 75 can, but lighter and has better controls.

But agree about hog hunting, wouldn't use either caliber for that purpose.
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Old November 24, 2012, 12:17 PM   #5
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Purely for backup on a random chance of a Wild Hog I would go with a 357 Sig and be using the latest barrier penetrating rounds (Hornady has one out, Critical Duty or some such intended for that purpose as opposed to Self Defense)
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Old November 24, 2012, 12:22 PM   #6
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For self defense purposes, I prefer 9mm for the typical pro-9 reasons.

For open carry to protect against especially nasty 4 legged critters, 9mm < .40 S&W < 10mm.

If you want a CZ style pistol for this purpose, look up the EAA Witness in 10mm. It's a well built, inexpensive CZ clone.
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Old November 24, 2012, 12:35 PM   #7
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I have progressively moved back to 9mm over the last couple of years myself. I just came to the realization that to me the .40 just didnt offer enough advantages to justify the extra cost, recoil, ..etc... Its a good round but so is the 9mm and with less cost and recoil. That said that is just for target shooting and if I ever had to protect myself or my family from 2 legged threats not big hogs. I carry a G29 when I am in the woods and main reason I went with it as my woods guns were the likely chance I would run across wild hogs. I have seen big hogs shot with a .44 magnum and still be able to tree the shooter. Do yourself a fvor and go bigger then 9mm or .40 if you are going to be dealing with a dangerous animal that can injure you badly very quick. A 9mm can kill a hog sure but it doesnt bring enough fast damage to the table to quickly handle that problem. All this is IMO of course.
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Old November 24, 2012, 12:43 PM   #8
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9mm and .40 are both pretty ineffective for wild animals. Thicker hides, harder bones... If you are set on a semi auto, go with 10mm... Glock 20 would be my suggestion.

Otherwise, get a good 357mag, 41mag, or 44 mag revolver. You're not going to need a ton of rounds if you're looking at defending against, or hunting, a wild animal. 6 rounds should be plenty.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old November 24, 2012, 01:00 PM   #9
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IMO the CZ 75 is not a super soft recoiling pistol. My 9mm 75 didn't feel any softer than a Glock or an alloy frame Sig. The high bore axis and the relatively light frame combined for a very average feeling 9mm.

For wild animals I think the .40 is a step up from the 9mm especially when comparing FMJ's. A .40 cal 180 flat point FMJ is a solid round for an auto loader, not a magnum revolver, but a step in the right direction.

The softest shooting .40 that I've tried is the Springfield XD .40. Of the steel frame pistols, the Sig P226 ST is the softest shooting .40 that I've tried.
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Old November 24, 2012, 01:04 PM   #10
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9mm will do just fine. without the right shot placement, neither is going to stop the hog. if you want a cz that packs a bigger punch, look at the 97b. it's a 45.
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Old November 24, 2012, 02:37 PM   #11
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Your desired pistol (75b) and intended use (woods gun/hogs) dont really line up very well.
I'd say the 40 version is the right call, but be sure to get quality ammo for hog use (perhaps Buffalo Bore hard-cast?)

I'd offer an alternative though... The Glock 21:
- Loaded up with 13+1 of 45acp it will be roughly the same weight as a all-steel CZ.
- It can be loaded with much more hog-effective 45acp+p ammo.
- Its recoil on 45+p will feel about the same as the 75b on 40s&w.
- In just seconds it can convert to a 10mm with a aftermarket barrel and a magazine from the Glock 20 (15+1), even better for hogs.

The G21 10mm conversion is not perfect due to the slide being a little lighter and the extractor is a little different on the G20, but used this way as a low volume woods gun it'll be fine.
For the money, a 10mm Glock is about as good as auto-loaders get for the woods.

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Old November 24, 2012, 05:17 PM   #12
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The 40 with something like a Barnes bullet would be best .Try Corbon DPX .40
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Old November 24, 2012, 09:24 PM   #13
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IMO the CZ 75 is not a super soft recoiling pistol. My 9mm 75 didn't feel any softer than a Glock or an alloy frame Sig. The high bore axis and the relatively light frame combined for a very average feeling 9mm.
Felt recoil for me on the 75 is much lower. The combination of the steel frame and low bore axis on the 75 make my shot recovery about half of what it is on the Sig. The problem I have with the Glock is the mushy trigger.
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Old November 24, 2012, 10:08 PM   #14
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You can find some pretty hot 40s&w loads these days. Some even close to the 10mm. I carry a 40 sometimes in the woods. 14 rounds of 500ftlbs is not exactly light firepower. I have killed deer from my 10mm with loads identical to a hotter 40S&W. With self defence in and out of the woods it's still about multiple shots on target and shot placements. Even if you carry a 9mm with 135 Critical Duty or 147 PDX1 has deep penetration. If the 9mm is lighter and easier to carry, then you are more than likely to have it on you. I carry a 9mm as a back up hunting with my rifle simply because I can put out a lot of fast accurate firepower in a light weight package.

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Old November 25, 2012, 11:42 AM   #15
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.40 muzzle flip issue

I am not a big fan of recoil. I don't like it in rifles and I haven't liked it in pistols (such as the .357 snub nose I used to own). I am concerned about the muzzle blast of the .40; even in the CZ75 and the M&P (two of the pistols on my final list). I wonder if anyone has dealt with this problem. I have heard from so many who have gone to the 9 MM or .45 ACP instead of the .40 because the recoil affected their accuracy; much less their shooting pleasure.
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Old November 25, 2012, 12:17 PM   #16
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I think the .357 mag recommendation above is the minimum I would be comfortable with. I know you said you did not like the recoil in the snubby you owned, but a large frame and a 6" barrel would help mitigate that. The longer barrel will help you get all the power the cartridge is capable of. Go to ballistics by the inch (http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com) and compare for yourself.
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Old November 25, 2012, 12:28 PM   #17
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get a glock G23 and you can shoot both with a second barrel (9mm) from lone wolf
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Old November 25, 2012, 01:08 PM   #18
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I own a cz in. 40, it was the 1st .40 I ever shot and I am surprised when people complain about recoil from. 40 because I find the cz to be a very nice shooter. If a guy wanted to stop a big angry hog fast, I suppose I might want something with more stopping power. If I unloaded 14 rounds of. 40 or. 45 for that matter into a hog, I would think the critter might be reconsidering his course of action, but I have been coached to believe stopping power rules the day, the reason being if you have a big heavy animal with teeth, tusks, claws or hooves coming at you fast, even if you kill it the animals momentum could carry it into you and a big dead critter can still mess you up if it hits you hard. So the more lead you can throw out with some serious punch behind it the better. S&W .50 cal revolver would work, if you can't take a chunk out of the hog with a bullet that big you can always grab the barrel and beat it to death when it gets close
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Old November 25, 2012, 02:37 PM   #19
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I have been coached to believe stopping power rules the day, the reason being if you have a big heavy animal with teeth, tusks, claws or hooves coming at you fast, even if you kill it the animals momentum could carry it into you and a big dead critter can still mess you up if it hits you hard. So the more lead you can throw out with some serious punch behind it the better.
The actual kinetic energy of the round is going to make almost zero difference as far as stopping the animal's momentum. Bigger, more powerful rounds are going to help kill or disable the animal faster, but they aren't going to knock it back or slow its momentum in any measurable way.
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Old November 25, 2012, 02:56 PM   #20
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Otherwise, get a good 357mag, 41mag, or 44 mag revolver. You're not going to need a ton of rounds if you're looking at defending against, or hunting, a wild animal. 6 rounds should be plenty.
I would probably go for a used wheel gun in 357...
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Old November 25, 2012, 06:39 PM   #21
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A couple of thoughts after reading through the posts...

What Glock did you shoot that you didn’t like the recoil - There is a massive difference between the G27 and the G35.

I'd pass on the revolver - You don’t care for recoil and they have plenty of that. I'd reserve those for the larger more deadly foes.

I like the 40 plenty for SD against humans, but it’s the very bare minimum I'd take in the woods known for having plenty of hogs.
Here in Mo, we have a few, but not so many that I worry about walking with just a G27.

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The actual kinetic energy of the round is going to make almost zero difference as far as stopping the animal's momentum.
Totally agree.
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Old November 25, 2012, 07:02 PM   #22
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I have been thinking about the same thing. My friend invited me to his ranch to kill pigs. I have 9mm, 40 and 45 Glocks, so I'm thinking that the G21 may be my first choice for backup.

Since my primary is a POF 308, I don't think I will need it.
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Old November 25, 2012, 09:22 PM   #23
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Give me break!

I wish I had a dime for everytime someone asks a simple question someone else ususaly has to put in their "Look up the SEARCH" comment. Why can't a person ask a question to get the most recent answers instead of getting the same old answers? Me myself would want the most updated responses from some of the older and newer members instead of what was posted 10 years ago. As far as between the 9 & the .40 I would go with the .40, maybe it would have a little more energy. But if you still can't decide take what you can shoot the best and go fron there. Good Luck!!!
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Old November 25, 2012, 09:38 PM   #24
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CZ auto in 357

David-
I have no idea what to use as a "backup" for a big hog! But you mentioned CZ
and were thinking 40 cal. For carry, the CZ P-06 (40 cal) is a possibility. Great ergonomics, 14 - 16 round mags, well-known reliability from NATO testing (of the P-01, which is almost identical to the P-01). Also, I understand that there is now a 357 CZ semiauto, which might do the job. But, again, I've never shot a big hog, or even tried to shoot one. If you like the feel of a CZ, which many do, the 97 in 45 cal might help stop a hog. I suspect that a really good hog pistol would exceed the preferred recoil of most folks. Hard to imagine enjoying practice with the ideal hog handgun. Expensive, too. What is your primary weapon? It would help to envision more concretely the scenarios in which the primary weapon is no longer available and you need a backup? Should the focus be on changes to the primary weapon?
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Old November 26, 2012, 02:48 PM   #25
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backup gun

When hunting hogs; I would use my .30-.30 Model 94. Allows for quick follow up shots and I can accurately shoot it open sights at 80 yards if needed. After seeing some of the availability issues with CS75; I am leaning towards the M&P .40. I hear that recoil is not an issue with this pistol.
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