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Old November 23, 2012, 12:33 PM   #1
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CZ75B

I love the looks of the 1911; but can't afford anything but the Philippine made ones. Another option suggested to me is the CZ75B in 9 MM. It is cheaper to shoot than a 1911 .45 ACP and has that "hi-power" look. Also, I have heard it is very reliable. Any thoughts about the CZ75?
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Old November 23, 2012, 12:52 PM   #2
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The CZ75 is a very well made pistol and very well respected on the gun forums you'll find. Personally I do better with the CZ clones like the Witness line from EAA.
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Old November 23, 2012, 01:24 PM   #3
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Old November 23, 2012, 03:14 PM   #4
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Are the CZ clones as reliable and well made as the actual CZs?
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Old November 23, 2012, 03:32 PM   #5
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Very few people complain about the CZ75.
They are one of the most popular pistols in Europe.
I like mine, a lot.
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Old November 23, 2012, 04:08 PM   #6
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.40 CZ75 or EAA Witness

I am narrowing my search down to the CZ75 or EAA Witness in .40 S&W caliber. The weight and size of these pistols will help with diminishing recoil. At least, that is my thinking.
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Old November 23, 2012, 04:27 PM   #7
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Have you fired the CZ75 before? If not I'd recommend that you do, I can't really comment on the reliability of the firearm, but what I've read in numerous reviews is that there is seldom a negative one.

Personally I've decided on the CZ75 compact, the C-100 from Tristar which can be found on Cheaper than dirt is essentially a "clone" of the compact and can be had for around $350 or so.

Check em out

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...478&catid=1732
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Old November 23, 2012, 04:43 PM   #8
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To hold one is to want one
That's the experience of many people. Haven't held many guns that fit my hands quite as well as the CZ 75 and its variants. Add in excellent accuracy and reliability, and you have a winning combination.
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Old November 23, 2012, 05:03 PM   #9
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That's the experience of many people. Haven't held many guns that fit my hands quite as well as the CZ 75 and its variants. Add in excellent accuracy and reliability, and you have a winning combination.
That is why the old saw got created which goes, "Sigs are for people who don't know about CZs".
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:08 PM   #10
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If you plan to carry at all, have a look at the p06. 40 caliber, same thing as the amazing p01. The 75b is fine but an older design.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:18 PM   #11
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I currently own a CZ 75 in both 9mm and 40, and I love them.


As far as the reliability of the clones... Researching each brand may be best.

I have heard the Armalite version and Baby Eagle clone are good, but I never dug deep, only the odd mentioned comment here and there. (I hear more about the Baby Eagle)

EAA , I owned one in 45 and I liked it a lot.

One thing with the EAA is that I think that they have went to the large frame version for all the calibers, This makes it easy to use their caliber change kits to go from 9mm, 40, 45 and 10mm even 22lr... but the problem is that it is a large frame, larger than the 9mm and 40 CZ. (before they used the standard frame on the 9mm and 40 version, preventing you from fitting the larger calibers for conversion)

I now some clones use a different mainspring than the CZ, and the magazines may be slightly different. Keep that in mind for aftermarket parts reasons. All the custom springs, triggers, and hammers available for the CZ may not work in a clone.


The thing with the CZ 75 siblings (made by CZ)... they may be newer models, but they are almost exactly the same as the 75... Most of the difference is in material selection and maybe the level of fit, finish and tolerances. The only major change that has happened is the new Omega trigger system they have in some models (like the P-07), which is available on the 75 as well. The new trigger is nice, but aftermarket for it is still small, and less is known about it to get it tuned really well.

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Old November 23, 2012, 06:20 PM   #12
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Here is my Winess Compact. These are made by Tanfoglio in Italy and imported by EAA. Very nice pistols in my opinion.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:22 PM   #13
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have a look at the p06. 40 caliber, same thing as the amazing p01. The 75b is fine but an older design.
Not really much difference between those guns -- mostly a different dust cover and accessory rail on the P-01/P-06. Internally, they're the same. The P-guns are decocker guns, while the CZ75B can be had in either format.

If you want a compact gun with a decocker, an alloy frame and an accessory rail, get a P-01 or P-06. If you want a full-size gun without the accessory rail, in steel, and a safety that allow cocked and locked carry if you want it, get the 75B (in either 9mm or .40. If you want a decocker on that gun, look for a 75BD.

I'd look around for a used 75B as my first exposure to the CZ line. The trigger will often be nicely broken in, and you're not likely to have problems with a used CZ.

The Witness guns are pretty nice and the triggers are often nicer out of the box. The only downside of the Witness line is that if you have serious problems -- not common --- Witness (EAA Corp) customer service has a long history of crappy support. That may be improving. CZ's customer service is quite good.
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Old November 23, 2012, 06:33 PM   #14
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I own a CZ75B in stainless steel and simply love it. It is one of my most valued pistols. The only thing is that being all steel, the weight can make concealed carrying a challenge.
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Old November 23, 2012, 07:55 PM   #15
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As a previous poster stated; "To hold one is to want one.". That is exactly how I bought my first cZ75 thirty years ago. In the intervening years. I have acquired several more and have never had a problem with any of them.

Recently I purchased a Tristar C100 and have been pleased. I did a comparison, on another forum, of the C100 and the cZ 75 Compact. The C100 is similar to the cZ Compact, but is not a clone. Having always wanted a full size 75 with a light frame, I am thinking about the Canik 55 L120.

Over the years I acquired a couple of Witness', one in 9mm and one in .45. Both have since left the fold. Also of interest are the AR24s in full size and compact.
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Old November 23, 2012, 08:40 PM   #16
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I fired a EAA witness a few weeks ago and didn't like the grip. My CZ 75 (SP-01) fits my hand extremely well. The former didn't.

If you think you might add a laser or a light, consider the SP-01 as it has a rail. I bought mine from Buds and it came with tritium sights (even though the base SP-01 isn't supposed to).

You might not care for a .380, but I saw a deal for Tristar C-100 (Canik 55). Grab-a-gun has them for $291. 9mm is about $335 at Cheaperthandirt.com

If you do want a CZ 75B, http://www.kygunco.com has the 40 cal in stock for $493.
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Old November 23, 2012, 08:54 PM   #17
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can't find cz75b anywhere in stores!
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Old November 24, 2012, 03:29 AM   #18
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CZ75 B or Rock Island tactical .45 nickel

My final choices are the CZ75B in .40 or the Rock Island tactical nickel in .45 ACP. I had considered the M&P .40 or 9mm both am leaning away; simply because I want something more "classical" looking.
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Old November 24, 2012, 04:09 AM   #19
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One other difference between the P01 and P06

I have one of each. Yes, the P01 is 9mm, and the P06 is .40, and the two are virtually identical in external dimensions. BUT...

... the magazine base of the P06 is significantly taller at the rear than is the base of the P01, enough so that the P06 poses similar concealment challenges to the full-size CZ75 series (with flush mags on the full-size).

This may or may not pose a significant problem to a given shooter, but it is something that should be checked against body type, carry position, and normal clothing.

(Edit: I'm considering selling my P06, in fact, because that extra bit of height puts it at similar height to my full-size 1911, so what's the point?)
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Old November 24, 2012, 04:10 AM   #20
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I love the looks of the 1911; but can't afford anything but the Philippine made ones. Another option suggested to me is the CZ75B in 9 MM. It is cheaper to shoot than a 1911 .45 ACP and has that "hi-power" look. Also, I have heard it is very reliable. Any thoughts about the CZ75?
I think your choice is obvious.

Own one, love it. It's not the gun of all guns, but it's my HD of choice. Check me out and you'll see.
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Old November 24, 2012, 06:03 AM   #21
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I love my CZ's. Never had a malfunction on any of them.
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Old November 24, 2012, 08:30 AM   #22
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Not sure about copycats id really never spend my hard earned money on a copy but id love to do a side by side comparison
Good. You just keep thinking that way. That means lower demand and thus lower prices for me.

I own 6 CZ pistols and 3 EAA clones (1 small frame & 2 large frame). The large frame clones are easier to do trigger jobs on, IMO.
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Old November 24, 2012, 09:12 AM   #23
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I have found that the out of box triggers on my two Witnesses were better than the triggers on the two CZs that I had.
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Old November 24, 2012, 10:09 AM   #24
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Aside from not having a rail and not known to have that great of a trigger out of the box the CZ 75B is a great gun.

A $0.25 trigger job can be done to smooth out the trigger.

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Old November 24, 2012, 10:22 AM   #25
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That is why the old saw got created which goes, "Sigs are for people who don't know about CZs"
Well, I still love my Sigs despite my current affair with CZs. There is no comparison when it comes to the trigger, as well as the fine points around finish.
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