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Old November 25, 2012, 12:22 PM   #1
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At what point does this run afoul of BATF for ordinary mortals?

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...sunami-warning!

Do-it-yourself Kalashnikov from a shovel.

The URL is from a site that is not family friendly. Just a hint.

Also close to a drive-by, but I'll let it go for a bit.

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Old November 25, 2012, 12:27 PM   #2
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mehavey At what point does this run afoul of BATF for ordinary mortals?

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu...sunami-warning!

Do-it-yourself Kalashnikov from a shovel.
No Federal law prohibits you from building your own firearms.
AK receiver flats are easy to find, he just made his from a shovel.

If you build with the intent to sell you are required to obtain an 07FFL.
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Old November 25, 2012, 12:29 PM   #3
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During hearings on the late assault weapons ban, a welder from Camden Ar. Had his assistant, a high school student, build a "grease gun" from parts commonly found and purchased at the local hardware store.

The Congressman enjoyed shooting the piece after the hearing adjourned.
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Old November 25, 2012, 01:16 PM   #4
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No Federal law prohibits you from building your own firearms.
It doesn't run afoul of 922(r) and it's not an NFA weapon. If it's not for sale, it should be legal.

That said, it's untransferable in its current state, and getting caught with it by an LEO who doesn't know the law (and how many folks would know this?) could be a real issue.
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Old November 25, 2012, 04:47 PM   #5
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Man that is one ugly weapon! That said great job doing a home build. Wish I had the skills to do it.
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Old November 25, 2012, 08:24 PM   #6
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OMG that's fricken awesome, I was grinning and laughing during the entire time I was reading it.
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Old November 25, 2012, 09:29 PM   #7
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Why would it be untransferrable? While you can't build guns with the sole intention of selling them as a business without the right license, you can still sell a gun that you built for yourself and later decided you didn't want.

I see nothing about that shovel AK (so AWESOME) that would make it unsellable. You're not required to have serial numbers or anything on the gun.

BTW those are damn good groups for a shovel AK. Or really any AK for that matter.
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Old November 25, 2012, 10:27 PM   #8
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Cause shovels don't come with serial numbers.
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Old November 25, 2012, 10:30 PM   #9
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Couldn't he just register it and have a serial number assigned to it in the event he wanted to sell it?
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Old November 26, 2012, 02:07 AM   #10
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Couldn't he just register it and have a serial number assigned to it in the event he wanted to sell it?
I'm not clear how one would "register" the gun with the ATF without being a manufacturer.

If they say (and they could) that he's now in the business of manufacturing, then he's got to get a Type 07 FFL, as well as doing the whole ITAR dance.

There's the whole Form 1 process, under which a private individual can get approval to manufacture NFA items for personal use, but this isn't an NFA item.
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Old November 26, 2012, 02:50 AM   #11
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The handle as a buttstock is the best part. Im sure it hurts like hell though.
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Old November 26, 2012, 05:12 AM   #12
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You don't need serial numbers or any sort of markings on a gun you made if you're not an FFL, even if you decide to sell it. And you don't need to be an FFL to sell a firearm you made for your own personal use.

So he is OK selling this as-is, as long as he doesn't start cranking them out by the crate-load and offloading them on gunbroker. At that point he would be in the business and would need to get an Type 07 FFL and start serializing the guns.
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Old November 26, 2012, 11:28 AM   #13
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good iexpedient if you break your but stock.
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